A new "landmark" book

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A new "landmark" book

Postby E.P. Grondine » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:57 am

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/133 ... st-contact

I am looking forward to seeing whether Kolodny made use of the Five Nations memories of the Norse,
as set out over a decade ago in:

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Re: A new "landmark" book

Postby Minimalist » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:36 pm

Still trumpeting folklore, E.P.?

You do know we have actual archaeological evidence of norse arrival in the 11th century?

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/4

L’Anse aux Meadows National Historic Site

At the tip of the Great Northern Peninsula of the island of Newfoundland, the remains of an 11th-century Viking settlement are evidence of the first European presence in North America. The excavated remains of wood-framed peat-turf buildings are similar to those found in Norse Greenland and Iceland.
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Re: A new "landmark" book

Postby MichelleH » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:53 pm

Minimalist wrote:Still trumpeting folklore, E.P.?

You do know we have actual archaeological evidence of norse arrival in the 11th century?

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/4

L’Anse aux Meadows National Historic Site

At the tip of the Great Northern Peninsula of the island of Newfoundland, the remains of an 11th-century Viking settlement are evidence of the first European presence in North America. The excavated remains of wood-framed peat-turf buildings are similar to those found in Norse Greenland and Iceland.



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Re: A new "landmark" book

Postby shawomet » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:35 pm

I'd like to be fair to E.P. here. There are several rather exhaustive reviews at the link he provided, and it does sound like an excellent contribution to the subject.
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Re: A new "landmark" book

Postby kbs2244 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:33 pm

For what it is worth..........
I have a copy.
I have read it twice.
I think he does a good job of making his point.
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Re: A new "landmark" book

Postby circumspice » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:10 pm

kbs2244 wrote:For what it is worth..........
I have a copy.
I have read it twice.
I think he does a good job of making his point.


Did you really read that book?

The author is FEMALE... Annette Kolodny...
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Re: A new "landmark" book

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:26 pm

"Having long argued that English-language texts alone provide an inadequate understanding of frontier history, Annette Kolodny now challenges the Eurocentric assumptions involved in what constitutes a 'literary' source. She makes the case that North American literary history begins not with the European exploration narratives customarily taken as its start, but with 'contact texts' culled from the pictographic materials of tribes in the Algonquian-speaking Wabanaki Confederacy and from the Norse sagas with which she suggests they intersect."

Native American pictographic script.
Its a start, but does not take into account other mnemonic aids, nor methods of the preservation of oral histories.
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Re: A new "landmark" book

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:25 am

The word "culled" being important here. And er the Vikings were Europeans weren't they? Sounds gibberish.
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