Fuente Magna, the Sumerian "Rosetta Stone" of the Americas?

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Re: Fuente Magna, the Sumerian "Rosetta Stone" of the Americ

Postby Minimalist » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:39 pm

Maybe.

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Re: Fuente Magna, the Sumerian "Rosetta Stone" of the Americ

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Re: Fuente Magna, the Sumerian "Rosetta Stone" of the Americ

Postby Minimalist » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:16 pm

Not everyone sees it that way, of course.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/sumerians-in-bolivia-afrocentrism-and-the-potokia-monolith

Despite frequent claims that the monolith was excavated Dr. Bernardo Biados in 2001, it was actually photographed by him in 2001 at its current location, the Museum of Metals in La Paz, Bolivia, as part of a search for "anomalous" artifacts with E. F. Legner, an emeritus biologist at the University of California who began promoting alternative beliefs about prehistory after his retirement. Biados is a primary or secondary school (colegio) teacher at the Colegio Internacional del Sur in La Paz and the director of the "Center for Precolumbian History and Writing" at the Universidad de San Francisco de Asís in La Paz, though I am unable to find information about him at either school, or even a record of this Center existing outside alternative archaeology websites.
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Re: Fuente Magna, the Sumerian "Rosetta Stone" of the Americ

Postby hardaker » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:34 pm

in terms of the general idea of diffusionism, and the rabid cries against it by the mainstreamers, this is a book worth reading.
Man Across the Sea: Problems of Pre-Columbian Contacts
https://books.google.com/books?id=lmvUB ... gy&f=false

It was an official SAA symposia book, from around 1968. It is probably the last time such a diffusionist symposia was held without the term pseudo-science being in the title. The issues have hardly changed since then. You cannot be a little bit pregnant. Either the New World was thoroughly isolated from the Old World, or it wasn't. The professionals in this symposium will surprise you because they are approaching the ideas and evidence with reason. It was a small window of time, the mid-60s. Meggars was finding the Jomon pottery types in Ecuador, and she was Smithsonian brass. When I was involved in running after degrees in the 70s, the bottom line had turned radically reactionary, probably because of the increased awareness of civil rights and of the current plight of native americans, both mid-late 60s. I used to test the diffusionist question in bars and halls between papers at conferences. Diffusionists were now being vilified as racists. The common quip was, if you think old worlders came over and began civilizations in the new world, then it is obvious that you do not think that native americans had the intelligence to do it on their own, therefore diffusionists are racist. George Carter even wrote a short article on this egregious line of reasoning. There's been lots and lots of emotion dolled out over the decades. Plus the fact that boats easily decay over time.

Given all this academic emotion and vileness against diffusion, the mainstreamers are left with only one alternative to explain the exacting similarities of some artifacts (eg. Shang dynasty and Olmec). That is, psychic unity, the mental side of independent invention. And the academics don't want to touch psychic unity with a ten foot pole. To do that would take a firm grasp of the nature of consciousness.

Whether or not Africans et al could make it to Brazil et al, shouldn't be an issue any more.

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Re: Fuente Magna, the Sumerian "Rosetta Stone" of the Americ

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:32 pm

Hi Chris -

There is a difference between diffusion and the hyper diffusion of the theosophists.

I covered diffusion in "Man and Impact in the Americas" and you can find citations to the literature in 2005 there.

I cover hyper-diffussion in my guide inside the modern theosophist cult archaeology industry.
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Re: Fuente Magna, the Sumerian "Rosetta Stone" of the Americ

Postby hardaker » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:54 pm

hyper-diffusion -- don't know the definition.
"the modern theosophist cult archaeology industry" -- unfamiliar with this. My truck with professionals gives me the idea most if not all are strict materialists, but then again, I have been out of touch for the last few years.
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Re: Fuente Magna, the Sumerian "Rosetta Stone" of the Americ

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:26 am

hardaker wrote:hyper-diffusion -- don't know the definition.
"the modern theosophist cult archaeology industry" -- unfamiliar with this. My truck with professionals gives me the idea most if not all are strict materialists, but then again, I have been out of touch for the last few years.


Hi Chris -

The most useful tool for separating the wheat from the chaff:
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This should take about an evening to read, and [i]should[/]be a lot of fun to read.
It will save you many hours in the future.

Citations to the hard data (as of 2005) on trans-oceanic contact can be found in "Man and Impact in the Americas".
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