Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

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Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby shawomet » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:42 am

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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:03 am

I hope Mr. Mellon's lawyers sue the s**t out of Wolters et al. for slander, as the stone was on his property.

As far as Mr. Wolter's hypothesis goes, I think it is a crock, adding together many cult archaeology theories.

As far as your own masters goes, shawomet, I could have saved you many dollars and a lot of time.

What forces a paradigm shift is data.

All of the theories in the world added together do not make one fact.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby uniface » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:31 pm

What forces a paradigm shift is data.

All of the theories in the world added together do not make one fact.


Only if the available data are not being overlooked, ignored +/or slanted. Case in point : Continental Drift, which was ridiculed for 100 years in the face of overwealming evidence.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby shawomet » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:11 am

Irrelevant and removed.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby shawomet » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:53 am

uniface wrote:
What forces a paradigm shift is data.

All of the theories in the world added together do not make one fact.


Only if the available data are not being overlooked, ignored +/or slanted. Case in point : Continental Drift, which was ridiculed for 100 years in the face of overwealming evidence.


Right, and as Kuhn himself observed in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, if the orthodox paradigm is destined to fail, it will still often remain defended to the last dying breath by it's supporters. Nobody should think that scientists are always 100% rational in rejecting anomolies or new theories. Many 18th century scientists and naturalists, educated individuals, dismissed uneducated people reporting witnessing stones fall from the sky as fools.

Bottom line really is that the Narragansett Stone is a fact. It isn't a figment of the imagination, which I do find some of the theorizing regarding its origins more closely resemble then they do compelling evidence. The evidence as presented by Wolter is simply not at all compelling to me personally. However, if there are future methodologies that could extract more info from he rock, well, it needed to be in the proper hands for that to ever happen, and it is now. I have no stake whatsoever in any interpretations rendered regarding its origins. I am interested in the truth, no more, no less.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby shawomet » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:49 am

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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:53 am

Hi shawomet -

The rather constant statements that Mr Mellon intended to secrete this stone away from the public ought to do.
Aside from that, there is also undoubtedly law regarding the collection of stones on public property.

Finally, no one had the courtesy to speak with Mr. Mellon before trespassing and/or visiting the stone, and perhaps he just got fed up with strangers coming around.

I am pleased to learn that you do not think much of Wolters work. What irritates me is that the extravagant claims obscure real data on Norse contacts.

IN the extreme, the proponents often and usually build imaginary kingdoms in lands that were occupied by the First Peoples.

Less irritating are the racist claims about the First Peoples they often make, such as no Indian could have built it, no Indians wrote, no Indians knew that, no Indians mined that or traded it.

In my view, a similar situation exists in UFO research.
The valuable information is obscured by all of the trash.

Cavuto does very very good work. You should have stated your views explicitly at the outset.

I have had self proclaimed "sceptics" trying to lump my work on impact events in with all of the nonsense, as a matter of fact rather consistently for many years now.
If I added all of your insults here together in one post, it would be quite illustrative.

I am certain as to the data I base my statements on. I actually answer to "higher powers", specifically the tradition keepers of the different nations, and to their members.
I am also quite certain that if detection measures are not improved large numbers of people will die. The only way that money for detection will improve is by demonstrating the impact hazard.

One of the parts of intelligence is knowing what problems to solve.
I have no interest in the delusional, except when they intrude.

My first guess is that when the carving on that stone is examined, 19th century tool marks will be found.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby shawomet » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:10 am

Fact: the Narragansett Stone lay in state owned waters. I have never made any statements suggesting how it was spirited away or by whom. Everything I've noted is right there in the public record, in news media, in the links I've left. I was never privy to the state's investigation. I had/have a personal interest in its safety, but that adds nothing to the actual story. The best resolution possible was accomplished.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:34 am

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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:34 am

Look, sunshine, you can read the Five Nations memories of the Norse in my book.
I am pretty certain that no one in NEARA ever checked the local peoples' memories for memories of early European contacts.
It does not interest them. If any studies of the traditions exist, do prove me wrong.

You have done nothing but bring up anomalies since you first showed up here.
You are as qualified in psychology as you are in everything else.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:44 am

shawomet wrote:Everyone at Pojac Point knew where the law placed ownership.


Did "everyone" really know, and was what they knew actually true?

Meteorite collectors often search on public lands.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:50 am

Hi uniface -

What forced that paradigm shift was data on matching formations on different continents.

In impact research, the KT impactite layer was not enough to force a paradigm shit, but the discovery of the Chixulub crater did.
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby shawomet » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:52 am

Mr. Grondine wrote:

"You have done nothing but bring up anomalies since you first showed up."

And on a archaeological oriented forum where anomolies are very frequently discussed, what exactly is your point here?
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:29 pm

There you go again, sunshine.
How stupid do you think the posters here are?
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Re: Narragansett Stone Update and Theft Details

Postby shawomet » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:34 pm

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