Patuxent River - "Hopewell" connection

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Patuxent River - "Hopewell" connection

Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:14 pm

Hello everyone -

I see in the news where they are spectulating on "possible" Patuxent River -"Hopewell" connections.

No surprise, as fossil sharks' teeth from the Chesapeake Bay deposits were found in "Hopewell" graves.
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Re: Patuxent River - "Hopewell" connection

Postby Johnny » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:45 pm

Speaking of, does anyone have an image of a Fourche Maline culture point? I have the base of a broken head that I found tilling just south of the Arkansas River ages ago and I'm fairly certain it's caddoan but would like an earlier comparison.

What's left looks much like this one:

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Re: Patuxent River - "Hopewell" connection

Postby E.P. Grondine » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:13 pm

Beautiful point, Johnny.

In regards to sharks tooth trade, was the Gulf another source?
The fossil shark's teeth are different.
One wonders if they had a functional use besides status display.

The Fourche Marche culture appears to preserve many earlier archaic features - the serated edge points and the polished stone gorgets. Either that or the dating is wrong.
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Re: Patuxent River - "Hopewell" connection

Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:14 am

This mystery is solved.

The Powhattan identified the Patuxent as being Massa/womeke to John Smith.
They also identified the Shawnee on the upper Potomac as being Masswomeke.
In a way this reminds me of the Kickapoo

The Andaste identified the Masswomeke as being their deadly enemies.
The earliest gun trade went from the French to the Huron, who in turn traded with the Erie, who in turn traded with the "Massawomeke"
Thus the Andaste allied with the Seneca to destroy the Erie, a very bad decision on their part.

Then you have the Wolf Division Lenape at Kittianung on the Aleghenny River...
You also have Pilgrims appearing at Kent (or is that Palmer) Island...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4OK8Vcj7E

Perhaps more on Adena beliefs is yet to be recovered from Dutch or Swedish manuscripts, in particular those of their priests.
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