Problematic Discoveries

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Springhead » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:06 pm

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The top image shows three Mayan artifacts. On the right is a serpent head not unlike the heads visible at the stair bottoms on the Castillo at Chichen Itza. On the bottom a face and on the left a tigre. Above in the image is a Peruvian artifact, a lizard on a jar lip.

The lower two images are the "doble yo" from San Agustin, Colombia. The artifact, according to local archaeologists, represents a kind of ego/alter ego subject matter common to that area.

I came across these and other artifacts about thirty five years ago while traveling. One interesting aspect of the "doble yo" is the juxtopposition of faces, not unlike the compositions I am finding in Virginia which have facial profiles and sculptural faces opposed on the pieces that are human and human/animal combinations as well as purely animal combinations. Speculation might lead one to think that this compositional technique from San Agustin could have been influenced by artists in very deep time as the Va/NC artifacts types appear to be very wide spread geographically.

It would be nice if the physical qualities of the Virginia and NC artifacts of this thread were so clearly presented as those in the images above. They are not, however, and one is challenged to properly characterize them.
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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Tiompan » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:17 pm

"It would be nice if the physical qualities of the Virginia and NC artifacts of this thread were so clearly presented as those in the images above.
They are not, however, and one is challenged to properly characterize them. "

Quite ,but is not the presentation Springhead , there is a reason that they are so clearly presented that has nothing to do with technology ,
The motifs are there , a cheap camera used by a complete amateur could convince anyone of the presence of motifs .
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Non Problematic Discoveries .

Postby Tiompan » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:59 am

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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Springhead » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:14 am

Thanks Tiompan!

This looks interesting and I will read it as soon as I can.
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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Springhead » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:33 pm

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This is an image of an artifact from the Virginia mountain site typical of many found. It exhibits the basic motif described in the "doble yo" piece from San Agustin, Colombia (previous post of a ceramic jar with three legs), that is the juxtopposition of human faces (in this case profiles). The left facing human profile has a basically level line of site while the opposing human profile looks upward. This worked rock is about two and a half inches across.

Of note is the similarity of this artifact with examples found at Calico in California. I expect to find many more of these type art pieces as work continues at the mountain site. Also, this is comparable to middle paleolithic artifacts identified in the course of work by Dr. Harrod in Israel.
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Re: Problematic Discoveries

Postby Tiompan » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:01 pm

Springhead ,
The double yo is obvious , we can see it . That is not the case with your image .
The Calico artefacts are problematic enough , are you suggesting that some may have worked motifs too ?
There is a comparison with Harrod's "finds and yours ,in that the claims for any worked images are outrageous .
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