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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby uniface » Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:57 am

-- When Monsanto was first created in 1901, its main purpose was to sell a chemical called saccharin to the Coca-Cola corporation as an artificial sweetener. Having known it to be a dangerous carcinogen, a government body called the Referee Board of Consulting Scientific Experts, created under president Roosevelt in 1910, sued Monsanto to stop the production of the new chemical sweetener. It decided that the levels of saccharin people were consuming were over they considered ‘safe’ limit, and in 1912 the use of saccharin was prohibited in processed foods. Monsanto’s industry lawyers fought back, and the ban was overturned, marking the first of many legal incidents that would pave the way for Monsanto’s current multi-faceted chemical onslaught on humanity.

-- Commonly used in lubricants, hydraulic fluids and liquid sealants, PCB’s have been linked to immune system, developmental, and reproductive disorders and are quite potent carcinogens. Although PCB’s were banned in 1979, they can still be found in nearly all animal and human blood and tissue samples around the globe, and because they are so persistent in the environment, they are considered to be “one of the most gravest chemical threats on the planet.” But the company’s own documents show that great lengths were undertaken to make sure the public was uninformed about the dangers of PCB’s, even going so far as to start, “urging scientists to change their conclusions to downplay the risks of PCB exposure.” Even the Navy in 1956 refused to use one of Monsanto’s products that contained PCB’s claiming that it was “just too toxic to use in a submarine.”

-- During the Vietnam war, the United States sprayed over 72 million liters of toxic herbicides and defoliants on farmlands and forests, most of which was Monsanto’s agent orange with the chemical component Dioxin. Over a million Vietnamese were exposed to this poison as were more than 100,000 American and allied troops. Dr. James Clary, a scientist who worked to design the chemical spray tanks for use in Vietnam told Senator Tom Daschle in 1988:

When we initiated the herbicide program in the 1960s, we were aware of the potential for damage due to dioxin contamination in the herbicide… However, because the material was to be used on the ‘enemy,’ none of us were overly concerned. We never considered a scenario in which our own personnel would become contaminated with the herbicide.”

As a result, children in Vietnam are still being born with life-altering birth defects, devastating the lives of Vietnamese families, and many American veterans have suffered terribly as a result of exposure.

-- G.D. Searle, LLC, a partner of Monsanto, produced over a hundred faked studies claiming aspartame, a neuro-toxic sweetener is safe for human consumption. Meanwhile, the FDA’s scientists concluded that aspartame causes tumors and large holes in the brains of rats, before eventually killing them. The FDA responded by holding a grand jury investigation into G.D. Searle for, “concealing material facts and making false statements.” During the investigation, G.D. Searle urged insider Donald Rumsfeld, who had served as Secretary of Defense under president Gerald Ford, to become CEO. A few months later, the federal prosecutor who had previously convinced the grand jury to investigate Searle, Samuel Skinner, was given, “an offer he couldn’t refuse,” and went to work for Searle’s law firm. The investigation was subsequently stopped.


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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby circumspice » Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:04 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:
“one of the most gravest chemical threats on the planet.” 
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby uniface » Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:57 am

Running true to form, Circ. Loud, clueless, obnoxious contempt as a response to serious informational content.

Moving right along,not that there's much liklihood of you "getting it," but on the off chance:

Carroll Quigley wrote:Education in operational terms has no meaning (as all operational definitions have no meaning) because it has no reference outside itself, and all meaning must be based on reference to something outside the object being defined. Until recent centuries, meaning was defined in terms of purpose and goals, but, as teleology fell into disrepute, meaning came to mean context as a whole (a belief which has always been held in most Asiatic countries). Today, over-specialization and the great speed of change have destroyed, or almost destroyed, the context of everything, and we are reduced to purely operational definitions and meanings. But, since all operational definitions are solipsist, and everything in the world today has become isolated and subjective, any meaning in either teleological or contextual or even functional terms has become impossible and we are faced with the total triumph of the Meaningless and The Absurd.


A prime example being your post. :?
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby uniface » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:01 am

Or, put in slightly different terms, for min :

Tad Gage wrote:Metrics are the curse of our age; with every increase in technology, we tend to believe more and more only in what is tangible enough to track, and discount the rest. This is understandable; for the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Armed with our increasingly finely tuned machinery and software we are the proverbial man with the hammer. This prejudices everything we do. Unfortunately it's a bit like the joke about losing something one place but looking for it in another because the light is better. While that approach works well on some occasions, other times it fails. This is particularly true where what is being measured is qualitative.


(On which, see preceding).
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby circumspice » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:28 am

uniface wrote:Running true to form, Circ. Loud, clueless, obnoxious contempt as a response to serious informational content.

Moving right along,not that there's much liklihood of you "getting it," but on the off chance:

Carroll Quigley wrote:Education in operational terms has no meaning (as all operational definitions have no meaning) because it has no reference outside itself, and all meaning must be based on reference to something outside the object being defined. Until recent centuries, meaning was defined in terms of purpose and goals, but, as teleology fell into disrepute, meaning came to mean context as a whole (a belief which has always been held in most Asiatic countries). Today, over-specialization and the great speed of change have destroyed, or almost destroyed, the context of everything, and we are reduced to purely operational definitions and meanings. But, since all operational definitions are solipsist, and everything in the world today has become isolated and subjective, any meaning in either teleological or contextual or even functional terms has become impossible and we are faced with the total triumph of the Meaningless and The Absurd.


A prime example being your post. :?



You're spewing meaningless, double talk bullshit uni, as per usual. *shrugs*
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby circumspice » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:44 am

Carroll Quigley...

Another conspiracy nut:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley#/search

One distinctive feature of Quigley's historical writings was his assertion that the Round Table movement have played a significant role in recent world history. His writing on this topic has made Quigley famous among many who investigate conspiracy theories. [2]:96, 98 Quigley's views are particularly notable because the majority of reputable academic historians profess skepticism about his views on the Round Table group. [21]
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby uniface » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:31 pm

"The majority of reputable academic historians" . . . You should go into comedy full time. Really.

Quigley taught for 30 years at Harvard and Georgetown for Pete's sake.

The body of historical information you're referencing is presented -- in exhaustive detail -- in his Anglo-American Establishment. Which is based on primary documentation and the foundational work in that area of 19th-20th century history. You can borrow my copy of it if you can't find your own and have enough motivation to actually learn something about the historical driving force that largely shaped the 20th century.

Bill Clinton (one of his students at Georgetown) quoted him in his first Inaugural Address.

"Reputable" enough ?

All you people are capable of -- going by your responses -- is articulating some negative emotion in response to facts. This is a sub-human level of functioning and, frankly, scary.

I can see you in highschool :

Teacher : The base of a right triangle is 10 inches in length and its height 14 inches. What is the length of its hypotenuse?

CS : "Geometry sucks." :evil:
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby Minimalist » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:27 pm

You know, uni, ( and this is not rare with you ) I attempted to fact check the claims made in the first paragraph of your screed in the OP. The only place that the story appears is in a anti-GMO web site which, in and of itself would not be fatal. But.

Studies which linked saccharine to cancer were not undertaken until the 1970's and the result was merely warning labels being attached. By the year 2000 the link between bladder cancer and saccharine had been disproven and the labels withdrawn.

So I find it hard to accept a story which lacks a single footnote when the Wiki article I looked up took me instantly to the National Institute of Health http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/caus ... fact-sheet

which confirms the 1970 date.

Now. I understand that you regard all of these people as some sort of conspiracy to make you look foolish but I don't buy conspiracies and think you manage it fine all by yourself.
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby uniface » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:09 pm

Min : You can duplicate that with virtually any point of controversy where money & safety are concerned. Here's a case study example of exactly that same discrepancy between "nuts cases" and "settled science" :

Bombshell: CDC destroyed vaccine documents, congressman reveals

On July 29, US Congressman Bill Posey made his last stand on the floor of the House.[1] Granted five minutes to speak, he laid bare the lying of the CDC in a now-famous 2004 study that exonerated the MMR vaccine and claimed it had no connection to autism.

"No connection to autism" was the lie.

Congressman Posey read a statement from long-time CDC researcher William Thompson,[2] one of the authors of the 2004 Pediatrics study[3] designed to determine, once and for all, whether the Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine could cause autism.

Thompson saw and participated in violating the protocol of the study.[4] He was there. He helped his co-authors destroy documents that would have shown an MMR-autism link.

You can see a rush transcript of Congressman Posey's remarks here[5] (on the ageofautism.com website), which includes his reading of a statement from whistleblower Thompson.

Posey pleads with his colleagues for a Congressional investigation.

Of note: two of the CDC researchers on the infamous 2004 study, who according to Thompson, destroyed vital documents, are Coleen Boyle[6] and Frank DeStefano.[7] They are both high-ranking executives at the CDC in the area of vaccine safety.

This calls into question every single CDC study, under their tenure, that claims vaccines are safe.

CDC whistleblower Thompson's statement, which Posey read on the House floor, includes this bombshell:

"However, because I [Thompson] assumed it [destroying the documents] was illegal and would violate both FOIA and DOJ requests, I kept hard copies of all documents in my office and I retained all associated computer files. I believe we intentionally withheld controversial findings from the final draft of the Pediatrics paper."

Thompson has the smoking-gun documents. So does Congressman Posey. I believe others do as well.

So: publish them. Publish them now.

There are lawsuits to be filed.[8] Eleven years have passed since the CDC committed its crime of concealing the MMR vaccine-autism connection. How many parents, never informed of the truth, have permitted their children to receive this vaccine? How many children have been struck down by the vaccine?

The lawsuits should be filed against the CDC and the individual authors of the 2004 study. Lawyers must depose every CDC employee who had knowledge of the crime.

And what about the fact that the MMR vaccine is one of the shots that has been mandated, by law, in California,[9] in other states, and in Australia?[10] Mandating neurological destruction of children is a crime that must be investigated and punished. If these states (and other countries) insist on keeping the MMR on their schedules, they are guilty parties.

Here, for background, are earlier articles I wrote about whistleblower Thompson,[11] starting when the story broke in the summer of 2014.

Understand what we are dealing with here, in terms of public exposure: the author of a peer-reviewed and published study; the author who has worked for many years at the CDC; the author who participated in destruction of vital documents; the author has come forward and admitted his crime and the crime of his colleagues. This kind of confession never happens.

But it did happen.

And this story and what it means must not die, no matter how major media outlets try to spin it or ignore it.

http://www.naturalnews.com/053439_CDC_d ... utism.html
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby circumspice » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:06 am

A little info about Mike Adams, founder of NaturalNews.com...

Here's a link to his official biography page:

http://www.healthranger.com/Health-Rang ... raphy.html


This is an excerpt from his official biography:

Health Ranger Profile and History

Mike Adams, the "Health Ranger," is an outspoken consumer health advocate, award-winning investigative journalist, internet activist and science lab director.

He is the founder and editor of NaturalNews.com, the internet's most-trafficked natural health news website. He is also the creator of CounterThink.com, FoodInvestigations.com,HealingFoodReference.com, HonestFoodGuide.org and several other websites covering natural health topics.



PHILOSOPHY

Adams describes his personal life mission as "protecting the diversity of life" in the universe. The personal philosophy of Mike Adams includes these concepts:

All humans and animals are conscious beings with a spirit and some degree of free will.

Consciousness is the underlying unifying force of the universe, and all living systems are connected.

Our universe was "engineered" by a greater creative consciousness, possibly a highly advanced civilization of intelligent beings.

Our universe is just one of many that exist. Advanced intelligent beings have visited the Earth in pre-history, as is evident in the clues left behind in monuments and vast ancient airfields.

Mankind is arrogant and self-destructive. Modern civilization will not survive on its current path. A great collapse is inevitable due to economic, resource or social reasons.

Modern science is currently run by a "cabal" of closed-minded, dogmatic "intellectual monopolists" whose mission is to block the advancement of real science and protect the profit interests of drug companies, vaccine manufacturers and chemical companies. Science has been hijacked by corporate interests at the expense of progress.

Mankind is an infant species behaving like little children with dangerous tools and weapons.

Mankind is not alone in the universe. There is intelligent life throughout the cosmos.

In terms of practical, day-to-day philosophies, Adams believes: The right to bear arms is a sacred right of self defense that shall be defended at all cost.

Liberty must be protected for farmers, individuals, parents and other members of society. The Bill of Rights is a "human rights" document.

Parental consent outweighs the interests of the state when it comes to medical issues like vaccines and chemotherapy.

The for-profit medical system that exists today is highly destructive to human civilization and threatens the very future of it. The system rewards keeping the population in a never-ending state of disease and suffering rather than finding ways to prevent or cure disease.
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby uniface » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:33 pm

George Dibos wrote:Groupthink is the intellectual manifestation of mob mentality. Few of today's under-30's would dare to express an opinion without checking what their friends thought first. In fact, daring wouldn't even apply, because it would never occur to them to do it any other way.


But I repeat myself . . . :oops:
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby Tiompan » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:29 am

uniface wrote:
George Dibos wrote:Groupthink is the intellectual manifestation of mob mentality. Few of today's under-30's would dare to express an opinion without checking what their friends thought first. In fact, daring wouldn't even apply, because it would never occur to them to do it any other way.


But I repeat myself . . .


Your'e repeating what someone else said .

More importantly , it's not an argument related to the subject of the thread , it's simply an oft repeated canard heard from the disgruntled oldie in every generation since Adam .
Btw ,who is Dibos ? the one I could find ,seemed to be knowledgeable about pipes and tobacco .
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby uniface » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:41 am

One of the most immediately recognisable features of the groupthink crowd is their belief that no one is able to notice or explain anything unless he/she/it is ordained to do so by extensive, preparatory, specialist education and widespread name recognition as an authorized expositor of the official groupthink party line on any given subject.

Run the clock back 500 years and you find exactly this pattern in the behavior of Roman Catholicism in confronting the Protestant dissidents. The Curia and the Pope promulgated definitive opinions which no one else was qualified/authorised to question.

Whether this is a step backwards or a return to sanity is moot. But whether the two mentalities operate along identical lines is not.

A contemporary example of it I found humorous :
http://www.sott.net/article/315298-Cogn ... -Netanyahu
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby Tiompan » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:03 am

Those who accept the concept of “groupthink “ uncritically are themselves prey to the phenomenon .
Not everyone considers it a particularly useful concept and there have been criticisms and improvements to the original model .
Fwiw ,it applies to groups likes conspiracy theorists , the religious and politically affiliated and tells us nothing about specific scientific problems apart from, there will be some group who will fail to accept overwhelming evidence in favour of their own group beliefs which will be lacking in any supporting evidence .
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Re: Best "Science" Money Can Buy

Postby uniface » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:29 pm

The UN has halted a measles vaccination campaign in northern Syria after at least 15 children died after receiving shots, the UN Children's Fund (UNICEF) and World Health Organization (WHO) confirmed in a joint statement.

"UNICEF and WHO have been shocked and saddened to learn of the deaths of at least 15 young children in Idlib, Syria," the statement said. "The deaths of the children occurred in areas where a measles immunization campaign had been under way." The children were all under the age of two, Reuters reported, citing aid workers.

Around one hour after being given a second round of the measles vaccine in Idlib on Tuesday, the children demonstrated signs of "severe allergic shock," said Abdullah Ajaj, a physician administering the vaccinations at a medical center in Jarjanaz, according to AP. The second round of vaccinations began in Idlib and Deir Ezzour on Monday. Following the vaccine, some of the children's bodies swelled and they suffocated to death.

http://www.sott.net/article/316541-15-S ... n-campaign

Other reports give higher numbers of deaths.
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