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Aleutian Archaeology

Postby Mayonaze » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:09 am

This summer excavation continues in advance of the Amaknak Bridge Project at Unalaska, in the Aleutian Islands (SW Alaska). I've visited the site a couple of times and have seen a display of preliminary findings at the local museum. The site dates from between 3300 and 2700 radiocarbon years before present. Information about the data recovery effort is available here:
http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/parks/oha/un ... bridge.htm
See item #4 for an overview.

Information on a nearby contemporary site (Margaret Bay) is available here:
http://archaeology.about.com/gi/dynamic ... o/m%2Dbay/

One feature of the Amaknak dig that I found remarkable is that the residences had in-floor heating - channels built into the floor to conduct heat from the hearth to more distant parts of the room.
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Postby Minimalist » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:32 am

channels built into the floor to conduct heat from the hearth to more distant parts of the room.



Sounds like a Roman bath, Mayo.
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Postby Rokcet Scientist » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:11 am

Minimalist wrote:
channels built into the floor to conduct heat from the hearth to more distant parts of the room.


Sounds like a Roman bath, Mayo.



See! Those Romans were an enterprising bunch! They got around.
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Postby Mayonaze » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:21 am

I guess I (and others?) struggle against naive arrogance when considering our predecessors, constantly underestimating them. These people weren't stupid, they weren't unsophisticated. With their knowledge and resources, I probably would do no better and could very easily do worse.
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Postby Minimalist » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:59 am

Most of us would starve to death in the cold if put into those conditions.
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Postby Rokcet Scientist » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:22 pm

Minimalist wrote:
Most of us would starve to death in the cold if put into those conditions.



Most of them did too!
It wasn't a walk in the park.
Very few had the skills and were hardy enough to survive.
Survival of the fittest.
And those fittest are our ancestors.
Evolution.
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Postby Minimalist » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:41 pm

That's an issue that deserves its own thread, R/S.
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Postby kbs2244 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:26 am

Is this the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere?"
They cut the funding for the bridge, but the pre-building work goes on?
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Postby Mayonaze » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:38 pm

Nope. The Gravina Island Bridge (Ketchikan Alaska) is about 1,400 miles from Unalaska. I'm not going to comment on the politics! :roll:
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Postby Digit » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:47 pm

What's this bridge then?
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Postby kbs2244 » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:09 pm

I just looked up both places on yahoo maps.
They are about as far apart as you can get and still be in Alaska. Which is saying quite a bit. Aleutian Islands to south of Juneau.
I have to say that I cannot see the need for a bridge at either location. You have an airport, some water, and a city. But neither airport would qualify as an O'hare or DFW.
But they are finding good stuff, and of all the states, Alaska can afford this kind of work the most.
Under the floor, radient heat, in the Aleutian Islands! How far did those Roman traders get?
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Postby Mayonaze » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:17 am

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I have to say that I cannot see the need for a bridge at either location. You have an airport, some water, and a city. But neither airport would qualify as an O'hare or DFW.
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KB: No offense intended but this is a curious comment from someone interested in archaeology.... maybe you are too rooted in your own environment to understand the needs of someone in another place, much less in another time? What do you know of Alaska? Should you be questioning your assumptions?
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Postby Minimalist » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:28 am

I recall reading where there is some archaeological evidence to suggest that underfloor heating originated in the Indus Valley in the 6th millenia, BC. It spread to Rome thus continuing the Roman's trend of adapting and perfecting technology discovered by others. The Romans were not great innovators but they were extraordinary engineers.

In any case....if an idea could spread westward it could also spread eastward.
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Postby Mayonaze » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:17 pm

Or it could arise independently. As I think Jared Diamond pointed out in Guns Germs and Steel, the domesticaltion of plants and animals occurred in different locations and different times without inter-cultural (?) contact in all cases.
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Postby Digit » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:34 pm

Same on this thread as on the wheel one, and I'm in my usual puzzled state.
On the one hand the club tells me that as we are big brained we are the most intelligent animal ever to have walked this planet, then they turn around and try to tell me Homo is bloody stupid!
If one group can solve a problem in a certain way, why not another group?
Like I said, I'm puzzled.
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