OK, I promise I'm going to get out BUT you have opened the door even wider. Show me where in your Nasa quote it says anything about holding the earth in place?
What ... and invite another of your 'witty withdrawals'?
This is a wide and diverse forum, Grumps, and there are many different subjects under discussion. Some of them don't appeal to me, and so I just stay out of them. I don't feel the need to go in and comment on them, as I'd have nothing useful to add and also nothing to prove.
This part of the forum is not about anyone trying to prove anyone else right or wrong, not least because we are taking a walk on the wild side and giving ourselves a bit of licence to go into a sort of systemic free fall and see what comes out, based on our experiences in these sorts of fields ... I'm talking about the shamanic, the quantum, the fourth dimension ... these are different names for the same thing. Another useful concept here would be the 'subjective' working with the 'objective', which would be anathema to the old science.
For myself, I am a shaman and have studied mythology for more than 30 years. And I'm enjoying seeing how my own experiences in these fields are now being given a language for the 21st century by the new sciences that are soaring like phoenixes from the ashes of the Newtonian viewpoint.
I couldn't put it better than John, so I'm going to repeat what he said. If we need a Mission Statement for these kinds of threads, so everyone's clear on what we're trying to achieve here, then this must be it:
Western Science is taking its first tentative steps
To the comprehension that "ancient, intuitive knowledge"
Could probably kick its ass
With one hand tied behind its back.
Needless to say, Western Science sees this
As a competition.
Power, politics, economics, religion.
The "lions and tigers and bears, o my" approach
Of contemporary science is designed to be scary.
As a matter of fact, I regard the tale of the Wizard of Oz
To be an absolutely marvelous metaphor
For the present contretemps between
Hundreds of thousands of years of vernacular, intrinsic,
Intuitive, and incredibly aware culture (Dorothy et al.)
And the clanking, gear-grinding "scientific method"
Of the last couple millennia (the Wiz).
Kinda like comparing a sailboat to a bulldozer.
The signature moments of beauty
Come when certain people,
Whether they be Scientist or Shaman,
Realize that this sort of knowledge is
Both gift and discipline,
And not political birthright enforced by
Intellectual and spiritual intimidation.