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Summary: Adapa, or perhaps Adamu, son of Ea, had received from his father, the god Ea, wisdom, but not eternal life. He was a semi-divine being and was the wise man and priest of the temple of Ea at Eridu, which he provided with the ritual bread and water.
In the exercise of this duty he carried on fishing upon the Persian Gulf. When Adapa was fishing one day on a smooth sea, the south wind rose suddenly and overturned his boat, so that the was thrown into the sea.
Angered by the mishap, he broke the wings of the south wind so that for seven days it could not blow the sea's coolness over the hot land. Anu calls Adapa to account for this misdeed, and his father Ea warns him as to what should befall him.
He tells him how to fool Tammuz and Gishzida, who will meet him at the gate of heaven. Ea cautions him not to eat or drink anything in heaven, as Ea fears that the food and drink of death will be set before Adapa. However, the food and drink of eternal life are set before him instead, and Adapa's over-caution deprives him of immortality. He has to return to Earth instead.
seeker wrote:Would that it were that simple. Another way to read it is that if Enki allowed Adapa to dring the water of life or eat the food of life then he would become a God and the gods would no longer have men as slaves.
Ishtar wrote:seeker wrote:Would that it were that simple. Another way to read it is that if Enki allowed Adapa to dring the water of life or eat the food of life then he would become a God and the gods would no longer have men as slaves.
What it does show, without a doubt, is that Enki did not deliberately trick his son, as you contended in your post. And that's an important point.
After that, Enki cannot be blamed for not being omniscient or being able to see into the future, to know his son would be offered the food of immortality![]()
He only did what any father would do and gave his son the best advice he could.
If you are a father, you will know how impossible it is to always get it right!![]()
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seeker wrote:
How do you figure it shows that 'without a doubt? I doubt that.
Quick correction, Ish. Jews do not have Original Sin. That is purely a Christian invention. Adam and Eve were forgiven for eating the fruit of Knowledge and God (using the serpent) wanted them to gain this knowledge. He used the snake to see if he made their free will strong enough to make choices. Jews have no stain upon their souls and detest the Christian interpretation that god did not forgive Adam and Eve and consider humanity cursed with sin. Christians needed this interpretation in order to need a Savior.However, it does look as if the Jews at one time, (Bible minimalists would say around the 6th century BC) took the Sumerian Garden of Eden story and either misunderstood it, or deliberately turned it on its head to invent "Original Sin".
pattylt wrote:Quick correction, Ish. Jews do not have Original Sin. That is purely a Christian invention. Adam and Eve were forgiven for eating the fruit of Knowledge and God (using the serpent) wanted them to gain this knowledge. He used the snake to see if he made their free will strong enough to make choices. Jews have no stain upon their souls and detest the Christian interpretation that god did not forgive Adam and Eve and consider humanity cursed with sin. Christians needed this interpretation in order to need a Savior.However, it does look as if the Jews at one time, (Bible minimalists would say around the 6th century BC) took the Sumerian Garden of Eden story and either misunderstood it, or deliberately turned it on its head to invent "Original Sin".
Ishtar wrote:seeker wrote:
How do you figure it shows that 'without a doubt? I doubt that.
Because,
1. There is no indication that that is Ea's motive. Usually motives are made very clear in myths. They don't expect you to read between the lines, as there are no lines to read between. The stories are recited orally, so everything is made very clear and often repeated three times, almost like a chorus. (The word comes from the Attic khorus, who would comment on the religious or spiritual signficance of the plot as it unfolded.)
2. It's a common mythological motif. "Don't touch the food" is a standard warning given to those going into the Other Worlds, because eating the food of the Other Worlds puts you in debt to its inhabitants, and you will get stuck there trying to pay it off. In Greek mythology, the very reason that Persephone has to return to the Underworld for a season of each year is because Hades tricked her into eating pomegranite seeds when she was there. In the Welsh Druidic rites, the initiate would be sent to Annwn, the Underworld, but strictly forbidden to eat any food he found there. W B Yeats, who was a great gatherer of Irish fairy tales, tells one about a woman who was taken off by the fairies to live with them. But she missed her son so much, she wanted him to come too. Knowing he wouldn't come willingly, one day she turned up at his house and started cooking for him. However, the son could see that she now 'had the glamour on her', and knew enough fairy lore not to touch his mother's food. In Solomon and the Queen of Sheba (which I believe is a myth), the Queen of Sheba had to make love with Solomon because she drank his water.
3. If Ea had tricked Adapa, that would put him in the category of a 'trickster god', like the treachorous Norse Loki, or the Coyote of the Native Americans, or The Fool in the Tarot. But he doesn't display any of those characteristics.
4. The story from the tablet also gives us this (although it's not clear who said it): "Why has Ea revealed to impure mankind, the heart of heaven and earth?" This is proof that Ea is the friend of mankind who shows him his divinity, his immortality. Therefore, he's unlikely to not want his son to have the same thing.
Hope that allays some of your doubts.
Of course, there is a good reason why Ea could have tricked Adapa. The story perhaps could have been used as one for adepts in the early stages. Like the Icarus story, that of trying to rise too high too soon, Adapa could have been considered not yet ready for the initiation (into immortality) because he selfishly and in anger broke the wings of the south wind.
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pattylt wrote:Quick correction, Ish. Jews do not have Original Sin. That is purely a Christian invention. Adam and Eve were forgiven for eating the fruit of Knowledge and God (using the serpent) wanted them to gain this knowledge. He used the snake to see if he made their free will strong enough to make choices. Jews have no stain upon their souls and detest the Christian interpretation that god did not forgive Adam and Eve and consider humanity cursed with sin. Christians needed this interpretation in order to need a Savior.However, it does look as if the Jews at one time, (Bible minimalists would say around the 6th century BC) took the Sumerian Garden of Eden story and either misunderstood it, or deliberately turned it on its head to invent "Original Sin".
Not true at all Ish. the Sumerian Gods are presented as capricious. The Flood story has Anu decided to destroy mankind because he makes too much noise. The reason Adapa gets in trouble in the first place is because the God of the South Wind capsizes his boat and he retaliates by breaking the Gods wing.
Ishtar wrote:What do you mean, 'not true', Seeker?
I'm not pretending to know the truth and have said at least twice that I'm not an expert on these stories. I was just replying to your question about why I think a certain way - to give reasons for my thoughts ....I have no idea what the truth is ... I've put up about five different reasons for my thoughts, and a couple of possible interpretations, and now Patti's post has provided yet another.
I'm just an amateur mythologist who's trying to find her way through this ... I'm not the Oracle on here.
It's using language like that that turns what could be an interesting discussion where we help each other into an argument, where each is trying to prove his point.
So, to get to your point:Not true at all Ish. the Sumerian Gods are presented as capricious. The Flood story has Anu decided to destroy mankind because he makes too much noise. The reason Adapa gets in trouble in the first place is because the God of the South Wind capsizes his boat and he retaliates by breaking the Gods wing.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here.
In the Sumerian flood story I've read, it is Enlil who wants to destroy man for making too much noise ... there is also a version where Tiamat, who is goddess over all of them (Anu, Ea and Enlil) wanted to destroy man for the same reason. There's also a similar Bantu myth, about the mother goddess wanting to destroy man because he's making too much noise. So this mythical motif is not exclusive to the Sumerians.
On Adapa the adept breaking the wing of the south wind, and thus causing drought across the land for seven days, this irresponsible act could indicate that he puts his own personal good before the greatest good, and is therefore not yet a candidate to be a god. On top of that, he fails the initiative test.
But these are just ideas, interpretations of my own and by no means Absolute Truth.
So why don't you say what you think it means, instead of just knocking down others' ideas?
Ishtar wrote:kbs2244 wrote:Ish:
I didn’t know there were Old World versions of the Snake and Egg “mounds.”
Now you have given me something to research.
One more piece of evidence of long boat trips?
KB, did you not realise that the B word is banned from this thread?
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