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Grumpage wrote:So how did Homer achieve this feat? How did he know of these astronomical occurrences and the way they ‘cohere‘ (the term used by B & M)? The authors say that these events, albeit most improbably, could have been “observed and noted (at the time), preserved through oral tradition for centuries, and then incorporated into the story by the Poet. The main argument against this possibility is that the data we’ve examined requires observations of a high level of sophistication for the time and place and its precise preservation in oral tradition.” To me this is a real tricky issue. All but one of the astronomical events occurred before Odysseus’ return. How would someone know that the drama in Ithaca was about to take place in order to observe these conditions? Could they have been worked out or guessed soon afterwards? Certainly a Homeric retrospective is highly unlikely given the state of astronomical science at the time.
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Grumpage wrote:1. The astronomical conditions (ACs) were noted at the time and preserved/remembered for introduction into the story when it was produced. This is ok for the eclipse but cannot account for those ACs preceding Odysseus’ arrival in Ithaca. How would anyone know the future in order to observe the ACs? Also it is unlikely that the required observational techniques were available at that time.
Forum Monk wrote:What observational techniques do you think were unavailable in c.1200BC?
Forum Monk wrote:
If this hypothesis has merit, as I think it may as I fully support an 1184 B.C. end date for the Trojan War, the implications are profound with respect to so many other discussions we have had on this board. Conveying precise information through oral tradition is definitely a lost art, I think.
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