john wrote:All -
I wish to promulgate the point
That NewAge touchy/feely is out.
Direct, continuous contact with our world is in.
And there is plenty of room to move, here.
kbs2244 wrote:Why do the Hopi and the Navaho live in holes in the ground when they have all around them multi story apartment house ruins with large scale water storage and irrigation systems surrounding them?
Could they not learn anything technical from these predecessors?
kbs2244 wrote:I am not talking about their religious side here.
That is another discussion unless it relates to a genocidal style uprising that wiped out the more advanced peoples.
The evidence just looks like a huge regression in both the social and the technological parts of the society.
They reverted to small family groups living in very primitive huts and could not understand the need for, or perhaps understand how to, maintain the very large scale irrigation systems.
john wrote:Finally, I just remembered a fairly amazing description of the Hopi Snake Dance ceremony by - of all people - Theodore Roosevelt. I'll see if I can hunt it down................
kbs2244 wrote:The Navajo seem to be survivors. But it says they were parallel with the Pueblo people.
Navajo oral history seems to indicate a long relationship with Pueblo people and a willingness to adapt ideas into their own culture. Trade between the long-established Pueblo peoples and the Athabaskans was important to both groups. The Spanish records say by the mid 16th century, the Pueblos exchanged maize and woven cotton goods for bison meat, hides and material for stone tools from Athabaskans who either traveled to them or lived around them. In the 18th century the Spanish report that the Navajo had large numbers of livestock and large areas of crops. The Navajo probably adapted many Pueblo ideas, as well as practices of early Spanish settlers, into their own very different culture.
The Spanish first use the word Navajo ("Apachu de Nabajo") specifically in the 1620s, referring to the people in the Chama valley region east of the San Juan River and northwest of Santa Fe. By the 1640s, the term Navajo was applied to these same people. The Spanish recorded in 1670s they were living in a region called Dinetah, which was about sixty miles (100 km) west of the Rio Chama valley region. In the 1780s the Spanish were sending military expeditions against the Navajo in the southwest and west of that area, in the Mount Taylor and Chuska Mountain regions of New Mexico.
Navajos seem to have a history in the last 1,000 years of expanding their range, refining their self identity and their significance to others. This probably resulted from a cultural combination of Endemic warfare(raids) and commerce with the Pueblo, Apache, Ute, Comanche and Spanish people, set in the changing natural environment of the Southwest.
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