Boatific or shamanic perspectives

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Boatific or shamanic perspectives

Postby Ishtar » Thu May 22, 2008 1:50 am

Okay, this is starting to piss me off... actually no - bore me shitless would be the more appropriate phrase. Given that my interests are somewhat specialised and being (I guess) one hell of a gal, I tend to keep my mouth shut where I don't have much to say, the number of topics I find myself able to contribute towards here has never been so wide as it has for say Min and Beagle (for example) both of whom demonstrate a much broader knowledge than my own.

Dropping into the In Search of the Palaeo Shaman Thread today, I see yet another discussion about boats has arisen. Well, not even a discussion so far as I am able to tell, for I am unable to see how it bears any direct relevance to the thread in question. The most recent post doesn't seem to say anything more cohesive than "established school of thought on shamanic influences - very poor, unproven stone age boats RAH RAH RAH!"

Whilst I would not dispute how ancient peoples got from A to B is very much of relevance to this forum, the name of the forum is archaeologica not erm... "boatalogica". Whilst unproven theories about stone age boats may be a fascinating topic for some, I am concerned that there is an overemphasis on woolly New Age speculation of a nautical nature around here, or so, I hasten to add, it seems to me.

I was once in a gangster rap girl group called Meerkat Molls (see wikipedia) which, as Blonde Gullible Babe, our unofficial leader often stated, was very much a democracy: any of us could contribute songs for future performance or recording by the whole. The problem was that for every song written by me, Mel, Victoria or Gerri, Blonde Gullible Babe would have come up with twenty and already have us rehearsing our bits before we knew what was going on. We should have piped up of course, but we didn't and so the whole thing got like too much hard work and not enough fun, so I packed it in. It feels like a similar situation applies here.

Oh crap - I don't fucking know.

Maybe I'm wrong, but not so long ago we had a situation where every topic seemed to descend into lengthy posts about ancient dildos and men knowing what's good for'em slurp gurgle drool etc, and I'm afraid to say that I'm getting deja-vu here in terms of an agenda that may not always be appropriate to the subject. It would be somewhat absurd, would it not, if I posted in every thread with some spurious ancient shamanic angle (actually, I probably used to be a bit guilty of that).

Well, I don't know about the Ukraine circa 1200 but Siberian shamans blah blah blah blah...


I've no wish to rain on anyone's parade (specifically Beagle, Min, Cogs, KBS, Rokcet Scientist, Rich, Danaan14 and John - I do enjoy more of your comments than not, in general) but I used to enjoy this place and recently every time I sign up I seem to end up in yet another boating thread …. and I don't find all of it terribly interesting (general thrust of boating digression, not specifically Beagle’s, Min’s, Cogs’, KB’s, Rokcet Scientist’s, Danaan14’s, Rich’s and John’s posts) and am wondering why I bother coming here at all. If this ends up being my last post (feels like it right now, though I suspect that's improbable) I've been hanging around here http://no_fucking_boats.net/forum/ a lot of late so that's where I'll most likely be. Please feel free to join me.

If anyone wants to disagree, please do so. If anyone thinks I have a point, I really would appreciate some support.

(With apologies to War Arrow). 8)

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Re: Boatism versus shamanism

Postby Beagle » Thu May 22, 2008 3:11 am

Ishtar wrote:Okay, this is starting to piss me off... actually no - bore me shitless would be the more appropriate phrase. Given that my interests are somewhat specialised and being (I guess) one hell of a gal, I tend to keep my mouth shut where I don't have much to say, the number of topics I find myself able to contribute towards here has never been so wide as it has for say Min and Beagle (for example) both of whom demonstrate a much broader knowledge than my own.

Dropping into the In Search of the Palaeo Shaman Thread today, I see yet another discussion about boats has arisen. Well, not even a discussion so far as I am able to tell, for I am unable to see how it bears any direct relevance to the thread in question. The most recent post doesn't seem to say anything more cohesive than "established school of thought on shamanic influences - very poor, unproven stone age boats RAH RAH RAH!"

Whilst I would not dispute how ancient peoples got from A to B is very much of relevance to this forum, the name of the forum is archaeologica not erm... "boatalogica". Whilst unproven theories about stone age boats may be a fascinating topic for some, I am concerned that there is an overemphasis on woolly New Age speculation of a nautical nature around here, or so, I hasten to add, it seems to me.

I was once in a gangster rap girl group called Meerkat Molls (see wikipedia) which, as Blonde Gullible Babe, our unofficial leader often stated, was very much a democracy: any of us could contribute songs for future performance or recording by the whole. The problem was that for every song written by me, Mel, Victoria or Gerri, Blonde Gullible Babe would have come up with twenty and already have us rehearsing our bits before we knew what was going on. We should have piped up of course, but we didn't and so the whole thing got like too much hard work and not enough fun, so I packed it in. It feels like a similar situation applies here.

Oh crap - I don't fucking know.

Maybe I'm wrong, but not so long ago we had a situation where every topic seemed to descend into lengthy posts about ancient dildos and men knowing what's good for'em slurp gurgle drool etc, and I'm afraid to say that I'm getting deja-vu here in terms of an agenda that may not always be appropriate to the subject. It would be somewhat absurd, would it not, if I posted in every thread with some spurious ancient shamanic angle (actually, I probably used to be a bit guilty of that).

Well, I don't know about the Ukraine circa 1200 but Siberian shamans blah blah blah blah...


I've no wish to rain on anyone's parade (specifically Beagle, Min, Cogs, KBS, Rokcet Scientist, Rich, Danaan14 and John - I do enjoy more of your comments than not, in general) but I used to enjoy this place and recently every time I sign up I seem to end up in yet another boating thread …. and I don't find all of it terribly interesting (general thrust of boating digression, not specifically Beagle’s, Min’s, Cogs’, KB’s, Rokcet Scientist’s, Danaan14’s, Rich’s and John’s posts) and am wondering why I bother coming here at all. If this ends up being my last post (feels like it right now, though I suspect that's improbable) I've been hanging around here http://no_fucking_boats.net/forum/ a lot of late so that's where I'll most likely be. Please feel free to join me.

If anyone wants to disagree, please do so. If anyone thinks I have a point, I really would appreciate some support.

(With apologies to War Arrow). 8)

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Ouch - sounds like you're havin' a bad day. Hang in there, they always get better. :wink:
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Postby Ishtar » Thu May 22, 2008 6:26 am

Don't worry, Beags. I'm actually fine.

Just having a bit of a joke with you all to make a point.

I took War Arrow's original post on Scientific and Shamanistic Perspectives and just swapped the word 'shamanism' for 'boats' and then added in a couple of literary twirls.

Didn't think I've have to hammer it home, but happy to if it clarifies. :lol:

Perhaps English humour doesn't travel well. 8)
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Postby Minimalist » Thu May 22, 2008 7:59 am

Too early in the morning for me to sort through that....I need my coffee.
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Postby War Arrow » Thu May 22, 2008 9:38 am

Er... I'm not sure whether I should be flattered or loading up my cannon. Probably the former. I guess.

Anyway, I'm not going to say anything more.




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Postby Ishtar » Thu May 22, 2008 10:53 am

War Arrow wrote:Er... I'm not sure whether I should be flattered or loading up my cannon.


I do think you're a brilliant writer, War Arrow. But that's not why I plagarised your post.

You know we have that saying over here? Those who lives in glass houses should not throw many stones. :P
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More on Same - Actual Photos of Shamanic Boat People!

Postby john » Thu May 22, 2008 6:12 pm

All -

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Kwakiutl photos by Edward Curtis.

The Canadian Government had just banned their religion and way of life,

To include raids in which they gathered all their masks and religious

Objects and had a public bonfire of same.

Bookburning, anyone?

Source is Library of Congress -

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/ecurhtml/ecurSubjects10.html

Note in advance:

Curtis has gotten a bad rap recently because

His photos were "staged."

Damn right; he was a photographer,

And not a dues paying member of Das Klub.

Das Klub has their own rules for "staging" their perception.

Enough said.


hoka hey

john


ps -

ok; you'll have to go to the LOC source to actually view the photos. Scroll
down to Kwakiutl, then double click the image, then double click again, which will give you the option for a full screen TIFF view.

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Postby Minimalist » Thu May 22, 2008 6:28 pm

Subtle, Ish.

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Postby War Arrow » Fri May 23, 2008 10:52 am

Ishtar wrote:
War Arrow wrote:Er... I'm not sure whether I should be flattered or loading up my cannon.


I do think you're a brilliant writer, War Arrow. But that's not why I plagarised your post.

You know we have that saying over here? Those who lives in glass houses should not throw many stones. :P

Huh?
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