how-the-pacific was settled

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how-the-pacific was settled

Postby kbs2244 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:27 pm

From todays news page
Rock art assumes early long range boat use.

http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/98668 ... ei-islands

and a related story

http://unews.utah.edu/news_releases/cal ... s-settled/
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Re: how-the-pacific was settled

Postby kbs2244 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:47 am

April 22, 2015 is in the first line of the story
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Re: how-the-pacific was settled

Postby circumspice » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:41 pm

Lily wrote:In

the editor mentions 'rock paintings' and 'cave paintings' as if they are different beasts. Aren't 'cave paintings' the same as 'rock paintings'?
'Cave paintings' weren't painted on cardboard, were they?



The difference is probably that rock art is outdoors, exposed to the elements & cave art is nominally indoors & under cover. Rock art is therefore probably the more endangered art form.
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Re: how-the-pacific was settled

Postby kbs2244 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:34 pm

It is not a question of technique.
It is a question of location.

Cave painting , of course, underground.
Rock painting often just the opposite, high on mountain sides.
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Re: how-the-pacific was settled

Postby Simon21 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:18 am

Rockpainting, because of its nature is usually over painting - a ritual carried out regularly to keep the images fresh.
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Re: how-the-pacific was settled

Postby Tiompan » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:49 am

Fwiw .Rock art covers adding pigment to rock and also extractive /engraving where surface laters are removed . Whether in the open or under cover doesn't matter .
Rock painting is often used by Australian resarchers to describe adding pigmnet to rock surfaces whether in the open or in rock shelters which can also be considered caves but distinct
from the limestone caves that feature cave art in Europe .
A lot depends on who is doing the description e.g. there are examples of rock art in caves in Scotland or even India that would never be described as cave art .

Even use of the term "art" is unhelpful .
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Re: how-the-pacific was settled

Postby kbs2244 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:39 pm

I suppose a fine line could be drawn between “art: and “painting” base on whether something was added to or taken from the surface.

“Painting” being adding something to cover the surface.
“Art” being the chipping or pecking away of some kind of natural occurring surface coating.

I do not know of any in a cave pecking away type “art.”
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Re: how-the-pacific was settled

Postby Tiompan » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:52 pm

kbs2244 wrote:I suppose a fine line could be drawn between “art: and “painting” base on whether something was added to or taken from the surface.

“Painting” being adding something to cover the surface.
“Art” being the chipping or pecking away of some kind of natural occurring surface coating.

I do not know of any in a cave pecking away type “art.”


Both painting and engraving come under the umbrella term " rock art"
Engravings are found in caves and rock shelters in all continents except Antartica .
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Re: how-the-pacific was settled

Postby Sam Salmon » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:28 pm

re: How The Pacific Was Settled

I'd read a summation of this article but it's a different more sensible piece of work in it's entirety and supports much of what I've observed visiting remote islands in the South Pacific.
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