More seafaring hominids

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More seafaring hominids

Postby circumspice » Sun May 20, 2018 8:38 pm

This article is dated May 2nd of this year. This time it's in the Philippines, approximately 700,000 years ago. A butchered rhino, complete with discarded tools in situ. It was probably scavenged vs hunted. Nevertheless, it was butchered. The upshot of the article is the deep antiquity of the find & the fact that the Hominids had to have boated their way onto that island. Another "unexplainable" hominid presence where there should be none for hundreds of thousands more years. YEE-HAW!!!


https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... migration/
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Re: More seafaring hominids

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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby circumspice » Mon May 21, 2018 4:09 pm

Who did this?

One thing is for sure—it wasn't Homo sapiens. The family tree of humans is bigger than just us, and includes our extinct close cousins like the Homo neanderthalis and Denisovan species. But there are more distant relatives as well.

The most likely candidate to have made these rhino cuts is Homo erectus, an ancient Asian species of human that went extinct around 140,000 years ago. The tools used on the carcass seem to corroborate this theory.


But the study authors concede there is a problem with this hypothesis. The Philippines are a fairly isolated chain of islands in the Pacific that, at the time, would have been accessible only by boat. According to the paper, "it still seems too farfetched to suggest" that any early human relative could have made the journey. And yet, the butchered rhino is there.
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby circumspice » Mon May 21, 2018 4:17 pm

The proponents of the 'accidental migration theory' are probably asking: "Who are you going to believe? Us or your lying eyes?" :lol:
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Postby Minimalist » Mon May 21, 2018 4:44 pm

Clearly just another example of vegetation mats providing transport!

Or maybe humans swimming with dolphins?

Or perhaps a race of giants who walked there??
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby circumspice » Mon May 21, 2018 6:08 pm

Minimalist wrote:Clearly just another example of vegetation mats providing transport!

Or maybe humans swimming with dolphins?

Or perhaps a race of giants who walked there??



Maybe they hitched a ride on the backs of swimming elephants? (elephants swam to isolated islands too) :lol:
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Postby Minimalist » Tue May 22, 2018 9:55 am

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby circumspice » Tue May 22, 2018 11:26 am

Minimalist wrote:I saw that bit.

https://youtu.be/sivmld0X8eE


LMAO!!! Hilarious!
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby Cognito » Tue May 22, 2018 1:22 pm

But the study authors concede there is a problem with this hypothesis. The Philippines are a fairly isolated chain of islands in the Pacific that, at the time, would have been accessible only by boat. According to the paper, "it still seems too farfetched to suggest" that any early human relative could have made the journey. And yet, the butchered rhino is there.

Mike Morewood found Homo erectus tools on the island of Flores dating to 840,000 years ago. They needed to navigate about 20 miles over a deepwater channel to get there. That isn't a small accomplishment. See: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/ob ... ic-legacy/. Getting to the Philippines would be no more difficult.

Conclusion: Ancient hominids could apparently build rafts and were exploring islands within visible range at a very early date. Rhino steak anyone? :D
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby Minimalist » Tue May 22, 2018 2:41 pm

Are you disputing mass transit vegetation mats, Cogs?
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby circumspice » Tue May 22, 2018 7:10 pm

Cognito wrote:
But the study authors concede there is a problem with this hypothesis. The Philippines are a fairly isolated chain of islands in the Pacific that, at the time, would have been accessible only by boat. According to the paper, "it still seems too farfetched to suggest" that any early human relative could have made the journey. And yet, the butchered rhino is there.

Mike Morewood found Homo erectus tools on the island of Flores dating to 840,000 years ago. They needed to navigate about 20 miles over a deepwater channel to get there. That isn't a small accomplishment. See: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/ob ... ic-legacy/. Getting to the Philippines would be no more difficult.

Conclusion: Ancient hominids could apparently build rafts and were exploring islands within visible range at a very early date. Rhino steak anyone? :D


A quotable quote from this article...

Science needs shake-ups—findings that break all the rules, force researchers to reconsider what they thought they knew and remind us all that there is still so much to learn. Nine years after the Liang Bua team introduced the world to H. floresiensis, scholarly papers on it continue to fill the pages of scientific journals, presentations on it still attract standing room-only crowds at anthropology conferences, and the public remains enthralled with our hobbit cousin. No doubt Morwood’s discovery will continue to fire imaginations and inspire new inquiries for many more years to come.
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby kbs2244 » Wed May 23, 2018 12:51 pm

The last paragraph is the most important.
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby shawomet » Sat May 26, 2018 5:24 am

I agree that last paragraph is the most important. And science, after all, is supposed to be self correcting. And while the dates are far younger then the dates highlighted here, this realization that sea faring abilities were present far earlier then earlier consensus opinion, made it easier to not only propose the Pacific Coast Kelp Highway hypothesis as the means of entry into the Americas south of Beringia, but that realization, and the evidence, saw it supplant the ice free corridor as the new consensus view as to how that peopling of the Americas took place. Wood floats. It just is not that huge a leap to go from the knowledge that wood floats to the creation of wooden crafts and travel by sea.
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby Minimalist » Sat May 26, 2018 12:47 pm

I've always maintained that travel by sea was much safer than travel by land. Sail along the coast, out beyond the breakers, put into shore at night. It's a lot easier to carry stuff in a boat than on your back. Plus, on land every stream crossing would be a chance for someone to drown and every river crossing would require a raft, anyway.
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Re: More seafaring hominids

Postby kbs2244 » Sat May 26, 2018 1:01 pm

Why put in at night?
That would mean going the difficult surf zone twice.
If it is a calm night, just keep going.

(Isn't the fishing better at night?)
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