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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:45 am

simon wrote:Grandly and incompetently called Man and Impact in the Americas (appalling English) this great work unfortunately forgot to put in anything about central and South America and large parts of Canada.

I intentionally did not include materials from the Odawa, Pottawatomi, and Ojibwe,
as their mide handle those;
materials from the Zuni, Hopi, and Navajo were also excluded,
for the same reason.


Ah I see , so the book should be called - ts the "Impact of some men on some parts of the Americas - the parts I know about" Bit misleading old fruit.

For South America,
Not much survived the Inca conquest.


Really? But er going by yur own words the Incas survived
For Central America,
I included what Mayan materials were available,
the Mixtec materials were not available to me at that time.
The Aztec materials were excluded as they were late immigrants to the Valley of Mexico.
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But the book is entitled I"Man and Impact in the Americas" not "Man and Impact in the Americas, leaving out half the Americas"

And er the Aztecs, did they not migrate from somewhere wlse, like the Grondine's did?
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby MichelleH » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:50 am

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby MichelleH » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:57 am

And now this topic is open again.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby AndyB1580 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:17 am

Hello. This is my first post here.

I have some personal family DNA evidence that seems to support this claim. It turns out that I have a very rare y-DNA lineage that was designated J2a4d (M-319) when I was tested and has been re-designated several times since.

Family history history research traced my family as far back as Grimsby and Lincoln in Lincolnshire, England in the oldest surviving parish records.

However, my yDNA lineage is extremely rare and originated in bronze age Crete according to published research.

Furthermore, my particular lineage seems to have diverged from the closest genetic relatives around 2000 years ago. 2000 years ago suggests the time of the Roman occupation of Britain.

Following this evidence, I found that there were two nearby Roman forts in Lincoln and York and that Grimsby had been a Roman port.

Then I looked into what Roman legions may have been stationed there and found that Legion VI was among the legions that were once stationed there. Furthermore, Legion VI conscripted archers from Crete.

Other records indicated that after 20 years service, soldiers were granted plots of land around Lincoln, Lincolnshire.

All of these facts, taken as a whole, seemed to suggest that my ancestor came to England with the Roman army and the family remained there until migrating to America in 1650.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby circumspice » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:12 am

Welcome to the board Andy!

Your family history sounds fascinating. Couple that with your Y-DNA results, it seems that you've got more genealogy info than the average person.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Minimalist » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:49 pm

Hello, Andy

Generally the legions were simply the heavy infantry of the army and at least in the early days of the empire were comprised of Roman citizens, whereas the auxillia were the specialty troops, cavalry, archers, slingers, skirmishers, and were recruited from non-citizens of the empire and rewarded with citizenship after 25 years service. Cretan, along with Syrian archers, were well regarded in the Mediterranean world along with the slingers from Rhodes and the Balearics. So it is totally reasonable that a unit of archers among others would be attached to the various legions that made up the garrisons in Britannia.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:56 am

AndyB1580 wrote:Hello. This is my first post here.

I have some personal family DNA evidence that seems to support this claim. It turns out that I have a very rare y-DNA lineage that was designated J2a4d (M-319) when I was tested and has been re-designated several times since.

Family history history research traced my family as far back as Grimsby and Lincoln in Lincolnshire, England in the oldest surviving parish records.

However, my yDNA lineage is extremely rare and originated in bronze age Crete according to published research.

Furthermore, my particular lineage seems to have diverged from the closest genetic relatives around 2000 years ago. 2000 years ago suggests the time of the Roman occupation of Britain.

Following this evidence, I found that there were two nearby Roman forts in Lincoln and York and that Grimsby had been a Roman port.

Then I looked into what Roman legions may have been stationed there and found that Legion VI was among the legions that were once stationed there. Furthermore, Legion VI conscripted archers from Crete.

Other records indicated that after 20 years service, soldiers were granted plots of land around Lincoln, Lincolnshire.

All of these facts, taken as a whole, seemed to suggest that my ancestor came to England with the Roman army and the family remained there until migrating to America in 1650.


You need to be careful about taking things at face value. Just because someone, or even a group, was recruited from Crete does not necessarily mean they were native Cretans - Crete had active ports many of its people could be descended from Egyptians, Syrians, etc.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:59 am

Minimalist wrote:Hello, Andy

Generally the legions were simply the heavy infantry of the army and at least in the early days of the empire were comprised of Roman citizens, whereas the auxillia were the specialty troops, cavalry, archers, slingers, skirmishers, and were recruited from non-citizens of the empire and rewarded with citizenship after 25 years service. Cretan, along with Syrian archers, were well regarded in the Mediterranean world along with the slingers from Rhodes and the Balearics. So it is totally reasonable that a unit of archers among others would be attached to the various legions that made up the garrisons in Britannia.


Indeed and inscriptions from HW allude to Syrians etc. It is a bizarrely controversial area however. When Mary Beard pointed out that some of the huge Roman Garrison may have been black, she was subjected to hysterical abuse from the white is always right brigade who apparently knew intimately the body colours of the roman army.
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