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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:13 pm



So far, simon,
not one early Anglo Saxon jewelry workshop from you.
Not one.

Neither mints nor weapons workshops are
jewelry workshops.

And iron is not gold.

IN addition,
you've demonstrated of your inability to read Latin,
along with a lack of knowledge of fundamental texts for Anglo Saxon history

simon wrote: this is surely not supposed to be a therapy board.


No it is not. But it is as good a place as any to point out the effects of racism
on archaeology, anthropology, and history.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:01 pm

So far, simon,
not one early Anglo Saxon jewelry workshop from you.
Not one.


I have proved you wrong now just admit it> Endless repetition doesn cut it.

And now a non-sequitur of my own - do you beleive in giants? Seriously - Michelle he has to go


And iron is not gold.

IN addition,
you've demonstrated of your inability to read Latin,
along with a lack of knowledge of fundamental texts for Anglo Saxon history


Ho ho my Latin is way better than your English
The test cited by you proved me totally and completely right as does all the evidence as you have conceeded.
You didn't contest the BM Curator.
All you have is rambling and endless repetition.
Fancy Posting you tube vids where the narrator cannot even pronounce
the place she is talking about :oops:


No it is not. But it is as good a place as any to point out the effects of racism
on archaeology, anthropology, and history.


.Better revise your views on porn, the holocaust, gay people and children then eh But do tell us about the giants do they come into your bedroom?
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:08 pm

Tell us I ask for information only

Did these giants shout "fi fie fo fum, I smell the blood of an Ohian" [doesn't quite work]

Do they have a giant beanstalk in Ohio - is it not a hazard to air traffic?


I apologise to others who read these boards but I do have an impish sense of humour and this is simply too good to pass up - as when we were told this individual had an ancestor known apparently (and unfortunately) as Johnny Blackeyes - presumably from overindulging himself
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby kbs2244 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:49 pm

As a somewhat long reader of this site.
I believe E.P. has said he lives in Illinois.
He has a deep interest in, and problems with the establishment, in Ohio.
But he doesn't live there.
They are two very different places, both then and now.

I will resume my seat on the sidelines.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:04 pm

The conversion

This is a complicated topic and one that needs considerable background reading.

There are a number of key points to be made however.

1. We know, c that there were christians in Wales and parts of Northern Britain. Bede refers to Augustine summoning British bishops to a meeting. So we know this British church was episcopal. We also know it had monasteries since some 1500 monks are said to have been killed at the battle of Chester in 616 (some twenty years after the landing of St Augustine)

2. We also know that there Irish monks and missionaries trying to convert from the North.

Our problem is that we do not know the rite the different aspects of Christianity followed. We know the Irish had a different Easter date to the Orthodox church. What date the British church used we canont tell. The Irish also used a different tonsure and seem to have pushed the idea of personal confession and penance.

These issues were of course resolved in the Synod of Whitby (664) where King Oswiu decided to go with Peter (and orthodoxy) who did after all hold he keys of heaven.

Then there is the question of how Augustine knew where to site his bishoprics. How did he know York would make a new archbishopric? It seems he must have had some list. This adds to the theory that some Romano British towns had become religious centres. Bath is often cited as one.

Archaeologically things are obscure. Birling points out in Dorset a Roman cemetery where there were paths leading to three graves. These paths had had their flagstones replaced in the fifth century. She claims the graves were possibly venerated as Saints and were being visited by pilgrims. The fact that christians gnerally di dnot have grave goods makes it difficult to come to defnite conclusions. I have mentioned earlier (s a non sequitur) the curious Kentish and East Anglian practice of placing ceneteries in vantage points and obliging travellers to come through them. This is certainly not a christian rite.

But both Bede and Augustine (his letters) are adamant that the main population of Britain were pagans. Interestingly though he cites onloy one pagan incident - where a converted pagan priest proved his conversion by riding a horse - apprently not done by the pagan priesthood. But the fact that this is the only incident Bede cites may indicate he did not actually know any pagan rituals but was relying on a written source. It was of course not his role to celebrate pagan practices.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:06 pm

kbs2244 wrote:As a somewhat long reader of this site.
I believe E.P. has said he lives in Illinois.
He has a deep interest in, and problems with the establishment, in Ohio.
But he doesn't live there.
They are two very different places, both then and now.

I will resume my seat on the sidelines.


He seems also to have problems in Maryland. That leaves fifty states to go. He will certainly have big problems if he goes to Israel, Scotland or Ireland and starts expounding his weird views.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:51 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFlFRLnzk8

simon, your ignorance of Native American archaeology
is exceeded only by your ignorance of sub roman Britain.
In this case, you are completely ignorant of
the standard college introductory test to Adena archaeology,
"Mounds for the Dead" by Dragoo and Neuman.

You have not provided one early anglo saxon site that has a jewelry workshop, simon.
Your insults are no substitute for that data, simon.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:00 pm


kb wrote:He has a deep interest in, and problems with the establishment, in Ohio.


Hi kb -

The only problems I have with the "establishment" here in Ohio
is that they keep complaining to me about
Brad Lepper and the Ohio Historical Society.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:12 pm


simon wrote:Our problem is that we do not know the rite the different aspects of Christianity followed.


simon, that is the least of "your" problems.
And your major problem right now is that you are trying to bullshit me.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:07 am

simon, that is the least of "your" problems.
And your major problem right now is that you are trying to bullshit me.


Well at least i do not have a problem with porn and 12 year olds, not to mention anti-semetism.

Suggest yiu deal with those
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:08 am

E.P. Grondine wrote:
kb wrote:He has a deep interest in, and problems with the establishment, in Ohio.


Hi kb -

The only problems I have with the "establishment" here in Ohio
is that they keep complaining to me about
Brad Lepper and the Ohio Historical Society.


Oh dear! Well call the giants in I am sure they will help.

Lots of people do not like you don't they Eddie. Why is that you suppose?
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:14 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFlFRLnzk8

simon, your ignorance of Native American archaeology
is exceeded only by your ignorance of sub roman Britain.
In this case, you are completely ignorant of
the standard college introductory test to Adena archaeology,
"Mounds for the Dead" by Dragoo and Neuman.


Well at least I don't contradict myself and get myself thrown out of historical societies and humiliated by native Americans by making false claims.

You have not provided one early anglo saxon site that has a jewelry workshop, simon.
Your insults are no substitute for that data, simon.


Oh dear Eddie's upset. You have accepted the BM material so all you are doing is endlessly repeating ourself for no purpose. Maybe you did have a stroke?

Incidently I did show one of your youtube vids to a friend who lives in the area. Hearing the presenter mispronounce the very name of the area caused loud laughter.

And your anti-semetism and homophobia are fact written out of you own dirty mind
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:41 am



I knew you were bullshit, simon
when you claimed to know the Patrick materials,
and claimed no mention of the Druids.
The Druids attempt to poison Patrick is well known
to those familiar with the Patrick materials.

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:43 am


Here's some more Latin for you to be unable to read, simon. This bit from Fredegar, with more to come.

AN. DLXXXVII. Anno 27 ejusdem regni Leudisclus a Guntchramno patricius partibus Provinciae ordinatur. Filius Childeberti regis Theodobertus natus fuisse nuntiatur.

VI. Eo anno nimia inundatio fluminum in Burgundia fuit, ut eorum terminos nimium transcenderent. Ipsoque anno Syagrius comes Constantinopolim jussu Guntchramni in legatione pergit, ibique fraude patricius ordinatur. Coepta quidem est, sed ad perfectionem haec fraus non peraccessit.

Eo anno signum apparuit in coelo: globus igneus decidens in terram cum scintillis et rugitu; ipsoque anno Levildus rex Spaniae moritur, et regnum obtinuit Richaridus filius ejus.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:02 am

I knew you were bullshit, simon
when you claimed to know the Patrick materials,
and claimed no mention of the Druids.
The Druids attempt to poison Patrick is well known
to those familiar with the Patrick materials.


You are losing it old Eddie you really are. Everybody can see it.
What have Irish druids (druadh) go to do with the acculturisation of the Roman British.
Yu are just picking up words mate no coherence or cohesion.
You sound like you hit the bottle on your silly youtube vid

Get one of your giants to do it
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