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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby kbs2244 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:30 am

A bit off topic, but there is an interesting idea that the site of "Eden" is under the water of the Persian Gulf.

Floated by a guy named Dr, Zarins.
A key point is an alterative meaning of the "headwaters" of the 5 rivers from their highland sources to their lowland mouths.
And the fact that one of the rivers descriptions matches a Landstat discovered dry river across the northern area of Saudi Arabia.

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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:40 pm

Hi kb -

There was a special on TV about Dilmum which discussed that dry river.
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:47 pm

One "problem" with Collins' book was with SLO's.

It was a comet which hit, and they do not contain much silica.

While a nuclear airburst can produce SLO's, not so for cometary airbursts - the energy released is too low and the release occurs too high too high.
If you have SLO's, most likely they are from ground impact.

Either that, or you have tangential impact, or multiple air impacts with intense fire, and I'm not real sure about the last as an SLO production mechanism.

We'll see- the distribution of impactites will lead to localization.
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby kbs2244 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:50 pm

I will take your word for that.
I do not watch much T V
It is too scripted, with a lot of hidden axes to grind.

I am pretty much a sports only watcher.
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:48 pm

The excavators of this site in Cyprus believe they have another PPN:

https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot ... 9umJipS.97

We'll have to see if its PPN-B.
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:59 am

The beginning of the discussion of the definition of "henge".
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby Tiompan » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:28 am

E.P. Grondine wrote:The beginning of the discussion of the definition of "henge".


Your lost .
You got the definition wrong , and it was pointed out to you nearly 8 yrs ago when you were all confused about Nabta Playa .
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby E.P. Grondine » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:31 am

I will continue to use the word "henge" as it is commonly used here in the states.
PS - you can tell Dr. Carlson that I am still pretty sure that the Phaestos Disk is NOT an astrological inscription.
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby Tiompan » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:03 am

It doesn't matter what you do , your definition is demonstrably wrong .
You have yet to provide one example of anyone who knows about the subject using your made up definition .
And simply ignore American dictionaries and Americans who know what they are talking about .
Not all Americans are ignorant as you .
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:37 am

https://cosmictusk.com/wp-content/uploa ... t-Fire.pdf

Unfortunately, we do not know how much of this "charcoal" may have been comet dust instead of charcoal.
Determining that would require many many days of tedious microscopic examination.
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby Simon21 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:13 am

What is this bizzarre obsession with "alignments" , constellations etc. Isn't this blog supposed to be about archaeology? There are enough archaeological mysteries and questions without revisiting Lost in Space and pretending every ancient monument is somehow aligned to the stars.

One has to wonder about US education. Some time ago there was one poster who couldn't believe the Egyptians built the pyramids and everytime it was shown to him he simply repeated the question like Paul Whitehouse on the Fast Show
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:38 pm

Simon21 wrote:What is this bizzarre obsession with "alignments" , constellations etc. Isn't this blog supposed to be about archaeology? There are enough archaeological mysteries and questions without revisiting Lost in Space and pretending every ancient monument is somehow aligned to the stars.

One has to wonder about US education. Some time ago there was one poster who couldn't believe the Egyptians built the pyramids and everytime it was shown to him he simply repeated the question like Paul Whitehouse on the Fast Show


Ah, you obviously are not current.
We currently know there were 2 cometary impact events at the start of the Holocene.
These had effects in the region of Gobekli Tepe,
and te problem being worked on was how they were reflected in the construction of Gokeli Tepe.
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby Tiompan » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:37 pm

Considering the huge number of potential "points" at GT , the gullible can convince themselves of the intention of any "alignment " that suits their fantasy .
The same applies to any monument with enough points e.g. timber circles , stone circles .
1)Where is the evidence for 2 cometary impacts that had an effect "in the region of Gobekli Tepe" at the time when the monument was being built ?
2)Why would cometary impacts be reflected in the construction of GT ?
3)What evidence is there for any cometary impact being reflected in the construction of any prehistoric site ?
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby Simon21 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:36 pm

E.P. Grondine wrote:
Simon21 wrote:What is this bizzarre obsession with "alignments" , constellations etc. Isn't this blog supposed to be about archaeology? There are enough archaeological mysteries and questions without revisiting Lost in Space and pretending every ancient monument is somehow aligned to the stars.

One has to wonder about US education. Some time ago there was one poster who couldn't believe the Egyptians built the pyramids and everytime it was shown to him he simply repeated the question like Paul Whitehouse on the Fast Show


Ah, you obviously are not current.
We currently know there were 2 cometary impact events at the start of the Holocene.
These had effects in the region of Gobekli Tepe,
and te problem being worked on was how they were reflected in the construction of Gokeli Tepe.


I have no idea what "cometary impact events" is supposed to mean. Does it mean being hit by a comet? In any case, apart from the debate about comets themselves the dates of the Holocene are not set in stone. As to "effects on Gobeki Tepe" that is meaningless. And no one has yet come to any conclusive descisions about the origins of Gobkei Tepe. Again why is outer space always invoked? Were these mysterious people more concerned with minature ice balls from outer space than with earthquakes, floods, diseases and droughts ie earthbound phenomena which have directly effected people in this region from the time they arrived there..
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Re: Andrew Collins on Gobekli Tepe sister site

Postby Simon21 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:45 pm

Tiompan wrote:3)What evidence is there for any cometary impact being reflected in the construction of any prehistoric site ?


Quite. There is something strange in this whole notion so faithfully adhered to. Is it some form of cargo cult where ancient gods from Space will wing down to save us all? Again what does any of this drivel have to do with real archaeology?

Getting back to the real world. Recently attended a lect on Lullingstone Villa. It is now apparently known that one of the figures (the second) was dead at the time the mural was made - meaning that the mural depicts real people - the first portraits of any British. Apparently this is obvious, but one failed to hear what gave it away. If anyone has any suggestions that do not involve comets, daleks and alignments lets hear them.
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