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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:21 am

Lets put Eddie in his box again:


Here's some more Latin for you to be unable to read, simon. This bit from Fredegar, with more to come.

AN. DLXXXVII. Anno 27 ejusdem regni Leudisclus a Guntchramno patricius partibus Provinciae ordinatur. Filius Childeberti regis Theodobertus natus fuisse nuntiatur.

VI. Eo anno nimia inundatio fluminum in Burgundia fuit, ut eorum terminos nimium transcenderent. Ipsoque anno Syagrius comes Constantinopolim jussu Guntchramni in legatione pergit, ibique fraude patricius ordinatur. Coepta quidem est, sed ad perfectionem haec fraus non peraccessit.

Eo anno signum apparuit in coelo: globus igneus decidens in terram cum scintillis et rugitu; ipsoque anno Levildus rex Spaniae moritur, et regnum obtinuit Richaridus filius ejus.


[size=150]And it says nothing about Roman Britain, Picts or giants. It is about flooding and nothing at all about Bazas. You think your fireball is a meteorite? Sorry old fool that's not what it says and fireballs from heaven which mysteriously harm no one and have no impact are common at this period.

What do yu think it says Eddie? Come on be honest now.

Still waiting for evidence - total destruction of Bazas

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restauran ... taine.html

This is an excellent place for dinner in this destroyed town. The pop in the title must refer to the meteor. It all fits.

God you love youself don't you Ted. I suppose theres a reason for that.

And here's a tip don't drink before recording you sound like Champagne Charlie
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:39 am

Hey Ted

I just looked up one of your er books:

In this book veteran space reporter E.P. GRONDINE. "Veteran space reporter" [Startrek theme]. What space is that then?

Grandly and incompetently called Man and Impact in the Americas (appalling English) this great work unfortunately forgot to put in anything about central and South America and large parts of Canada.

So the book could perhaps be better titled the Impact of Man on bits of the Americas. The bits I know.

It is therefore clear that someone who doesn't even know the extent of his own continent is not to be trusted regarding anywhere else.

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:56 am

In an earlier section one dipped in and out of issues surrounding gthe christianisation of Roman Britain.

One problem has been the difficulty of identifying evidence of Christianity. We have Llulingstone, Hinton St Mary villas, references in late Roman texts about British bishops, Constantine's mother who discovered the True Cross is said to have been British. But otherwise things are thin on the ground. There are he Christain artifacts of the Water Newton hoard (https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/ ... mages=true) but these are very upper class items they do not tell us about the majority of people.

Then we have these:

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There is evidence for about 12 of these tanks from Britain. They are round have christian symbolism and seem to depict baptisms. Here is one that seems to have been deliberately destroyed:

https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/591756.

There has been a lot of dicussion about these object which were unique to the Diocese of Britain, none have been found in the continent.

In Britain they are concentrated around the East Midlands and East Anglia.

The general notion is that they were some sort of font, but why make them out of lead (most fonts now are made out of stone) a v ery expensive metal at the time, and why were many of them apparently deliberatly dismantled. Do they indicate some sort on insular rite that wan't done in the more orthodox churches of the continent?

Dorothy Watts says no and thinks they were probably used for foot washing baptisms. SHe points to holes in some of the tanks which might have been used to erect screens for privacy. SHe does not thnk this applies ot all the tanks however.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... 612A3A36ED - you have to subscribe sorry.

Certainly after the conversion such things were never used again.

Admittedly a lot of this might seem angels dancing on a pinhead, but the faith of the Romano British (or just British at this stage) in the fifth century matters. For apart from Moorish Spain in the 8th century Britain (Southern) was the only christian part of the Western Roman Empire to revert to paganism
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby circumspice » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:14 pm

E.P. Grondine wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFlFRLnzk8

simon, your ignorance of Native American archaeology
is exceeded only by your ignorance of sub roman Britain.
In this case, you are completely ignorant of
the standard college introductory test to Adena archaeology,
"Mounds for the Dead" by Dragoo and Neuman.

You have not provided one early anglo saxon site that has a jewelry workshop, simon.
Your insults are no substitute for that data, simon.


EP... Two things: first of all, why the hell are you spewing about a new world topic on an old world thread dedicated to Roman Britain?... Secondly, the poor quality of all your videos is all the more reason to ignore them completely.

Another thing... The so called 'monoliths' in that amateurish video are glacial erratics, deposited in a low spot in the terrain. The rocks that you point out with breathless wonder as man-made monoliths exhibit all the hallmarks of common glacial erratics. Sheesh. Get an education, you desperately need it.

*I would recommend that we don't click on his YouTube links because they are linked to create clicks on otherwise forgettable, error filled videos. I guess you could call the links to his boring, infantile YouTube videos 'click bait', gaining clicks for his YouTube channel that he wouldn't normally get. YouTube channels thrive or die based on the number of clicks received.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:34 pm


spice wrote: why the hell are you spewing about a new world topic on an old world thread dedicated to Roman Britain


Because simon , when pressed for data,
has attacked my work in this hemisphere.
Going back though this, you will notice a pattern,
wherein I ask simon for any data showing the existence of any early Anglo Saxon jewelry workshop,
and he starts spewing insults,
because he has no data.

spice wrote:The so called 'monoliths' in that amateurish video are glacial erratics, deposited in a low spot in the terrain.


There are several problems with your claims.
The first of them is the workmarks on the monoliths.
The second, and the most hilarious problem,
is that some of the are located in areas where no glaciers existed.

I will try to do a better video for the next batch of Adena monoliths.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:51 pm


simon wrote:Grandly and incompetently called Man and Impact in the Americas (appalling English) this great work unfortunately forgot to put in anything about central and South America and large parts of Canada.


I intentionally did not include materials from the Odawa, Pottawatomi, and Ojibwe,
as their mide handle those;
materials from the Zuni, Hopi, and Navajo were also excluded,
for the same reason.

For South America,
Not much survived the Inca conquest.

For Central America,
I included what Mayan materials were available,
the Mixtec materials were not available to me at that time.
The Aztec materials were excluded as they were late immigrants to the Valley of Mexico.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:59 pm



simon wrote:Still waiting for evidence - total destruction of Bazas


Which has already been given.
Ooops, I forgot, simon does not read Latin.
What a stupid mistake on my part.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:18 pm



A few notes.
First off Pelagianism, salvation by works, was important for new converts, as they knew good people
who had died before the advent of Christianity.
Second, we must assume that the Arian from of Christianity was more compatible with
the earlier Germanic religions.
Third, discussion of both Druid beliefs and "Gnostic" Christianity in Britain
exceeds the capacities of this bbs,
but may be included in "Man and Impact in Europe".

In all of these sub-Roman materials,
we see the remains of Empire,
and competition between the church leaders in Constantinople
and those in Rome.

The last 300 years of British work has been clouded by a literary forgery,
and much of it ignored the continental materials as well.
simon's remarks are typical of the popular boorishness,
which the very top scholars have never engaged in,
and do not now.

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:01 pm



An extract from Jocelyn's LIfe of Saint Kentigern on early Christians in Britain and their heresies:

"And the diocese of that episcopate extended to the borders of the Cambrian kingdom, and that kingdom stretched continuously from sea to sea, just like the earthen wall built by the Emperor Severus. After the advice and counsel of the Roman legions, in order to prevent the Picts from rushing into the country, a wall was constructed in this same place that was eight feet wide and twelve feet tall, and it reached up to the river Forth,111 and divides Scotland from England as a boundary line.112

And this Cambrian region over which Kentigern now was placed with episcopal honor, had received the Christian faith (as had the whole of Britain) during the time of Pope Eleutherius, when King Lucius ruled.113

But when the pagans had attacked the island during various times, and having dominion over it, the islanders had thrown away the faith they had received by falling into apostasy. Many also were not yet washed in the health-giving water of baptism, and many were stained by the contagion of manifold heresies. Many, only Christian in name, were wrapped up in the hog pool of multiple vices. Very many had been taught by ministers inexperienced in and ignorant of the law of God.

And for these reasons, all the inhabitants of the province had a need for the counsel of a good shepherd, and the cure of a good ruler. Therefore God, the Disposer and Dispenser of all good things, provided, preferred, and proposed Saint Kentigern as a healing remedy, as the sustenance of life and the example, for all the diseases of all the people."

112 The Antonine Wall. According to Smyth, "The Damnonii were the most inaccessible of all the British tribes between the walls – from a southern or Roman point of view – and it is no coincidence that they survived longest of all the northern Britons into the early eleventh century, under their later guise as the Britons of Dumbarton or Strathclyde" (8). However, the term :Cumbria" or "Cambria" does not seem to be used by any author prior to the eleventh century. The kingdom included Stirlingshire, Glasgow, Dumfriesshire, and probably Carlisle, but Galloway was excluded. The southern limit of the kingdom can be inferred to be the river Derwent (Forbes 331).

113 This story appears in ). Although this tale is pure myth, nominal Christianity was present in Strathclyde from at least the mid-fifth century when St. Patrick censored Coroticus (Ceretic), who was a Christian, for raiding the Irish Christian community. As Duncan states, "We may therefore accept a Christianising of the southern Picts in Fife and Angus by the mission of Nynia [Ninian] in the fifth century. We have no means of assessing the spiritual value of that Christianising, for it has left no recognised kirks or hermitages" (40).

Bede 1,4:

CHAPTER IV
LUCIUS, KING OF BRITAIN, WRITING TO POPE ELEUTHERUS, DESIRES TO BE MADE A CHRISTIAN

156 AD IN the year of our Lord's incarnation 156, Marcus Antoninus Verus, the fourteenth from Augustus, was made emperor, together with his brother, Aurelius Commodus. In their time, whilst Eleutherus, a holy man, presided over the Roman church, Lucius, king of the Britons, sent a letter to him, entreating that by his command he might be made a Christian.

He soon obtained his pious request, and the Britons preserved the faith, which they had received, uncorrupted and entire, in peace and tranquillity until the time of the Emperor Diocletian.

CHAPTER VI

THE REIGN OF DIOCLETIAN, AND HOW HE PERSECUTED THE CHRISTIANS
[EARLY GERMANIC SEA RAIDERS]

286 AD IN the year of our Lord's incarnation 286, Diocletian, the thirty­ third from Augustus, and chosen emperor by the army, reigned twenty years, and created Maximian, surnamed Herculius, his colleague in the empire. In their time, one Carausius, of very mean birth, but an expert and able soldier, being appointed to guard the sea­coasts, then infested by the Franks and Saxons, acted more to the prejudice than to the advantage of the commonwealth; and from his not restoring to its owners the booty taken from the robbers, but keeping all to himself, it was suspected that by intentional neglect he suffered the enemy to infest the frontiers.

Hearing, therefore, that an order was sent by Maximian that he should be put to death, [Carausius] took upon him the imperial robes, and possessed himself of Britain, and having most valiantly retained it for the space of seven years, he was at length put to death by the treachery of his associate, Allectus. The usurper [Allectus], having thus got the island [of Britain] from Carausius, held it three years, and was then vanquished by Asclepiodotus, the captain of the Praetorian bands, who thus at the end of ten years restored Britain to the Roman empire.

Meanwhile, Diocletian in the east, and Maximian Herculius in the west, commanded the churches to be destroyed, and the Christians to be slain. This persecution was the tenth since the reign of Nero, and was more lasting and bloody than all the others before it; for it was carried on incessantly for the space of ten years, with burning of churches, outlawing of innocent persons, and the slaughter of martyrs. At length, it reached Britain also, and many persons, with the constancy of martyrs, died in the confession of their faith.

a nice collection of references to sources:
http://www.dot-domesday.me.uk/picts.htm
but note the confusion about Venturiones
and Scotti and attacotti.


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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:56 am

E.P. Grondine wrote:

simon wrote:Still waiting for evidence - total destruction of Bazas


Which has already been given.
Ooops, I forgot, simon does not read Latin.
What a stupid mistake on my part.


Hi Teddie

How's the head? Hmm not well I see.

Because you cannot read Latin you cannot read the docs you posted, which said nothing about asteroids on Bazas.

So stop lying as Tiompan pointed out and produce yout evidence.

Bazas still exists doesnt it?

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attractio ... taine.html


I have posted evidence from the BM still waiting for a response
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:40 am

Teddie tries again

E.P. Grondine wrote:

A few notes.
First off Pelagianism, salvation by works, was important for new converts, as they knew good people
who had died before the advent of Christianity.
Second, we must assume that the Arian from of Christianity was more compatible with
the earlier Germanic religions.
Third, discussion of both Druid beliefs and "Gnostic" Christianity in Britain
exceeds the capacities of this bbs,
but may be included in "Man and Impact in Europe".


Teddie and his assumptions. Couple of points

1. This is entirely irelevent as usual
2. Pelgius was in Rome when his teachings became known (Peter Brown)
3. "Man and Impact in Europe - "and impact"? Not Man's impact on Europe?
You do have trouble with basic English don't you



In all of these sub-Roman materials,
we see the remains of Empire,
and competition between the church leaders in Constantinople
and those in Rome.



What bad English and what drivel. Suggest a course of reading. Peter Brown's Eye of the Needle - no pics sorry
Oh and the Orthodox Catholic split is way in the future from about the 8th century not the fifth.

Thius is because the Byzantines reconquered italy and the Pope conformed

Keep up Teddy!


The last 300 years of British work has been clouded by a literary forgery,
and much of it ignored the continental materials as well.
simon's remarks are typical of the popular boorishness,
which the very top scholars have never engaged in,
and do not now.
[/quote]

But you simply repeat Teddy - what is the title of this forgery? You don't have the name, sad.
Having b een proven wrong in everything you have spewed out so far you are now trying to gain
some credibiluty by being myserious

We have still not been told after 100 postings:

1. The name of the "fellow" at Oxford whom you hold in such esteem, does he not have a name?
2. The title of the $150 book which yu have referred to about 50 times. Does the book not have a title?

Old Tiompan was right about you wasn't he
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:23 am

Teddy's been web scratching again, this won't take long:

quote="E.P. Grondine"]
An extract from Jocelyn's LIfe of Saint Kentigern on early Christians in Britain and their heresies:

"And the diocese of that episcopate extended to the borders of the Cambrian kingdom, and that kingdom stretched continuously from sea to sea, just like the earthen wall built by the Emperor Severus. After the advice and counsel of the Roman legions, in order to prevent the Picts from rushing into the country, a wall was constructed in this same place that was eight feet wide and twelve feet tall, and it reached up to the river Forth,111 and divides Scotland from England as a boundary line.112

And this Cambrian region over which Kentigern now was placed with episcopal honor, had received the Christian faith (as had the whole of Britain) during the time of Pope Eleutherius, when King Lucius ruled.113

But when the pagans had attacked the island during various times, and having dominion over it, the islanders had thrown away the faith they had received by falling into apostasy. Many also were not yet washed in the health-giving water of baptism, and many were stained by the contagion of manifold heresies. Many, only Christian in name, were wrapped up in the hog pool of multiple vices. Very many had been taught by ministers inexperienced in and ignorant of the law of God.

And for these reasons, all the inhabitants of the province had a need for the counsel of a good shepherd, and the cure of a good ruler. Therefore God, the Disposer and Dispenser of all good things, provided, preferred, and proposed Saint Kentigern as a healing remedy, as the sustenance of life and the example, for all the diseases of all the people."

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Sorry Ted this was written in the 12th century - 700 years after the Saint (if he existed) died. Longer time gap than the existence of the US and most of the states of Europe.

Perhaps something a little more contemporary Teddy? :lol:


112 The Antonine Wall. According to Smyth, "The Damnonii were the most inaccessible of all the British tribes between the walls – from a southern or Roman point of view – and it is no coincidence that they survived longest of all the northern Britons into the early eleventh century, under their later guise as the Britons of Dumbarton or Strathclyde" (8). However, the term :Cumbria" or "Cambria" does not seem to be used by any author prior to the eleventh century. The kingdom included Stirlingshire, Glasgow, Dumfriesshire, and probably Carlisle, but Galloway was excluded. The southern limit of the kingdom can be inferred to be the river Derwent (Forbes 331).


Irellevent gibbereish who is this Smith? What has the 11th century to do with the 5th? Why is it "no coincidence" they survived? Where does he get his map from? Why does he not refer to the other three tribes of Dumnonii - one in Devon (hence the name) and in Britanny? He is a charlataan Teddy.
When dealing with the big boys Ted you must learn to cite properely - and [size=200]read the documents
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113 This story appears in ). Although this tale is pure myth, nominal Christianity was present in Strathclyde from at least the mid-fifth century when St. Patrick censored Coroticus (Ceretic), who was a Christian, for raiding the Irish Christian community. As Duncan states, "We may therefore accept a Christianising of the southern Picts in Fife and Angus by the mission of Nynia [Ninian] in the fifth century. We have no means of assessing the spiritual value of that Christianising, for it has left no recognised kirks or hermitages" (40).


But you said Patrick was valueless as source Teddy? Changed you mind?

Bede 1,4:

CHAPTER IV
LUCIUS, KING OF BRITAIN, WRITING TO POPE ELEUTHERUS, DESIRES TO BE MADE A CHRISTIAN

156 AD IN the year of our Lord's incarnation 156, Marcus Antoninus Verus, the fourteenth from Augustus, was made emperor, together with his brother, Aurelius Commodus. In their time, whilst Eleutherus, a holy man, presided over the Roman church, Lucius, king of the Britons, sent a letter to him, entreating that by his command he might be made a Christian.

He soon obtained his pious request, and the Britons preserved the faith, which they had received, uncorrupted and entire, in peace and tranquillity until the time of the Emperor Diocletian.


Irrlevent drivel again Teddy What has the 2nd century to do with the fifth? What has Diolcetian to do with Pelgius or Patrick. Have you been drinking?

CHAPTER VI

THE REIGN OF DIOCLETIAN, AND HOW HE PERSECUTED THE CHRISTIANS
[EARLY GERMANIC SEA RAIDERS]

286 AD IN the year of our Lord's incarnation 286, Diocletian, the thirty­ third from Augustus, and chosen emperor by the army, reigned twenty years, and created Maximian, surnamed Herculius, his colleague in the empire. In their time, one Carausius, of very mean birth, but an expert and able soldier, being appointed to guard the sea­coasts, then infested by the Franks and Saxons, acted more to the prejudice than to the advantage of the commonwealth; and from his not restoring to its owners the booty taken from the robbers, but keeping all to himself, it was suspected that by intentional neglect he suffered the enemy to infest the frontiers.

Hearing, therefore, that an order was sent by Maximian that he should be put to death, [Carausius] took upon him the imperial robes, and possessed himself of Britain, and having most valiantly retained it for the space of seven years, he was at length put to death by the treachery of his associate, Allectus. The usurper [Allectus], having thus got the island [of Britain] from Carausius, held it three years, and was then vanquished by Asclepiodotus, the captain of the Praetorian bands, who thus at the end of ten years restored Britain to the Roman empire.

Meanwhile, Diocletian in the east, and Maximian Herculius in the west, commanded the churches to be destroyed, and the Christians to be slain. This persecution was the tenth since the reign of Nero, and was more lasting and bloody than all the others before it; for it was carried on incessantly for the space of ten years, with burning of churches, outlawing of innocent persons, and the slaughter of martyrs. At length, it reached Britain also, and many persons, with the constancy of martyrs, died in the confession of their faith.

a nice collection of references to sources:
http://www.dot-domesday.me.uk/picts.htm
but note the confusion about Venturiones
and Scotti and attacotti.


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But none of this is relevant to the acculturalisation of the Roman-British Teddy. Not a word. You are just posting material and you do not know what it says. What has Diocletian got to do with Cunedda? Or the Water Newton Hoard? Or the lead tanks, or the Watts theory of revised paganism (Dorothy Watts - Christians and Pagans in Roman Britian).

[size=150]Where is any reference to the mythical Venturiones and Scotti? Ther is no reference. You haven't read the document Teddy. It's like your book about man in the Americas which forgets to mention any people in Latin America. You are way out of your depth Ted.

Oh and latest research (Catherine Nixey) shows the Pagans were not anything like the way they have b een depicted by Chritian monks writing for christians. They were liars Teddy, just like you.

But I should not cavil. It has to be said that at least yu are trying to look at real sources I have suggested to you and you have asccepted your wild theories about all metalware in Britain being produced in Scotalnd for 500 years is the product of drink. And yur invention of peoples (Cruit), and faint grasp of basic geography. I feel proud. you are making such progress. Now work on your dates! :wink:
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:30 am

One of the important points to grasp about this period, and with most people it is no problem - is the fact we are talking essentially about the fifth and six centuries - not the 8th not the 13th and not the second.

YThis is not the section to rabbit on about place names but this remains a key source for the period. It is clear that many British place names reflect the various cultures which have overtaken the Island over time - and this period is especially rich in them.

First off we have the ancient river names - these precede the Romans and may precede the Belgae etc. The Romans continued to use these names presumbly because they saw no occasionto change them. Ditto York again whose actually meaning is unknown but preceeds the Roamn name of Eboracum.

Two of the most intersting names from this period however is Devon (which comes from the Dumnonian people) and Powys in Wales. Dumnonia is referred to in Gildas as being ruled by one "Constantine the filthy whelp of the unclean lioness" and Powys which comes from the Latin paganses - or country people. Why Powys in particular should be called so is a mystery.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby circumspice » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:02 am

E.P. Grondine wrote:
Why look at this:
https://books.google.com/books?id=N9eqB ... anuscripts

and only $125 for a copy

(see page 30 where the author is completely baffled by the CHr/lo/uit/d=Caledonia linguistic relationship)
(and then somehow he skips from 200 CE to 730 CE
- a mere 500 year omission
which avoids all the problems of dealing with modern peoples
sensitivites about Dal Riada and the Mercian Angles
Wait he now goes back to the 300's...

The identification of the Venturones with Votadin is given,
bu perhaps the Venturiones were maritime raiders in sailing ships, powered by the winds.
This would explain the Di/Caledones construction, with the Cruit being one of the two, and the Gododin the other.)

Wkipedia on Columba's heresy:

"Tradition asserts that, sometime around 560, he became involved in a quarrel with Saint Finnian of Movilla Abbey over a psalter. Colmcille copied the manuscript at the scriptorium under Saint Finnian, intending to keep the copy. Saint Finnian disputed his right to keep the copy. The dispute eventually led to the pitched Battle of Cúl Dreimhne in Cairbre Drom Cliabh (now in County Sligo) in 561, during which many men were killed.

"A second grievance that led him to induce the clan Neill to rise and engage in battle against King Diarmait at Cooldrevny in 561 was King Diarmatt's violation of the right of sanctuary belonging to Colmcille's person as a monk on the occasion of the murder of Prince Curnan, the saint's kinsman.[12] Prince Curnan of Connaught, who had fatally injured a rival in a hurling match and had taken refuge with Colmcille, was dragged from his protector's arms and slain by Diarmaid's men, in defiance of the rights of sanctuary.[13] A synod of clerics and scholars threatened to excommunicate him for these deaths, but St. Brendan of Birr spoke on his behalf with the result that he was allowed to go into exile instead.

"Colmcille's own conscience was uneasy, and on the advice of an aged hermit, Molaise, he resolved to expiate his offence by going into exile and win for Christ as many souls as had perished in the terrible battle of Cúl Dreimhne. He left Ireland, to return only once, many years later. Colmcille's copy of the psalter has been traditionally associated with the Cathach of St. Colmcille.

A Strange tale of a strange political situation.

And we have Pelagianism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism

as a modern issue, no less



@Simon21: Let's clear the deck here... You've been ragging & gnawing on EP ever since he hijacked your thread. This shit has gone on long enough. Why don't you do what's right & fucking bow out like a gentleman? Shit man! Your capacity for launching abuse seems boundless. For fuck's sake give it a fucking rest!!!

Oh, by the way... EP DID give you a link to that fucking $125.00 book you've been raving about... It's on page six of this fucking train wreck that you fatuously call a thread. (see above) The author's name is James Frasier. It's a book about Scotland up to the end of the 8th century. So get your fucking facts straight too. Shit! You both need to fucking GROW UP!!!
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:59 am

@Simon21: Let's clear the deck here... You've been ragging & gnawing on EP ever since he hijacked your thread. This shit has gone on long enough. Why don't you do what's right & fucking bow out like a gentleman? Shit man! Your capacity for launching abuse seems boundless. For fuck's sake give it a fucking rest!!!


Because I regard the subject as a serious one, and I am not seeing it desecrated by a half brained troll.

I am obliged to you for the reference, but you will acknowledge that it is common to refer to a book by its title or its author, not its cost.

In addition I have posted numerous creditable references on a vibrant and interesting topic.

And how have I been treated? By postings that show the author knows nothing about the subject, cannot connect to any discussion, perpetually posts irrelevant material and contradicts himself on every occasion. That is when one can actually make out what on earth he is actually saying.

It is a clear case of someone need to be rested while others can go and discuss archaeology in a rational manner.

In addition one is called an "a@@@@" a "gay, nazi m''''''''''''''" and other aspects of foulness. But no matter I will serve him full measure. He is, as you point out gradually becoming more incoherent, it can only be a matter of time.

And can I urge you to eschew the fuck chicken? You know running around like Foghorn Leghorn squawking fuck all the time.
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