Roman DNA

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:47 pm


Thanks ever so much for y your concern about my mental health and your kind advice, simon.

simon wrote:We are all mongrels old son sorry to tell you.
You possibly have some black and native American ancestors,
if that does not shock you too much.


Well, it turns out that just like bad porn,
you do have some socially redeeming value after all.

simon wrote:We are talking culture here, different thing.


You suffer from a bad case of projection, simon.
While YOU may think in an Anglo-Saxon framework,
not everyone does.

I know that the idea that Bazas was flattened by an impact airburst is outrageous.
But the fact of the real existence of the Cruit people?

simon wrote:Of course you do and it is a lovely idea if it gives you comfort.
No one would condemn you - but it is not relevant to any one else certainly o one with an interest in the area.


Well, now, there is a classic bit of ignorance -
a person pretending to be an expert on sub-roman Britain
who is completely ignorant of one the major tribes who lived there.
I give you permission to use "Caledonians" if it makes things any easier for you.

It wold appear that you have just hung yourself, simon,
and I have received a passing grade in Australian rules academic debate.

Now for the A level:
Aside from that, remember that the Scottish farmers are likely to be angry
if you give their sheep any diseases.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:19 am

Thanks ever so much for y your concern about my mental health and your kind advice, simon.

Well, it turns out that just like bad porn,
you do have some socially redeeming value after all.


Why not take my ad=vice you will be better for it. So you are someting of a fan of pornography apparently - is that something to share?

Tip: there is no such thing as good porn, the clue is in the word.

You suffer from a bad case of projection, simon.
While YOU may think in an Anglo-Saxon framework,
not everyone does.


You write in English you live in the US. Sorry it as much a part of you as your stroke (another english word).

I know that the idea that Bazas was flattened by an impact airburst is outrageous.
But the fact of the real existence of the Cruit people?


Your silly fantasies are of no interest. No one comments on them - Grondism is only of interst to a Grondine it seems.

Well, now, there is a classic bit of ignorance -
a person pretending to be an expert on sub-roman Britain
who is completely ignorant of one the major tribes who lived there.
I give you permission to use "Caledonians" if it makes things any easier for you.


I make no claim to being an "expert" I am just an expert compared to an ignorant fantasist like you. Plenty of people read Latin, they are prepared to make the effort to learn. You are too lazy apparently.

It wold appear that you have just hung yourself, simon,
and I have received a passing grade in Australian rules academic debate.


Oh dear how upsetting. At least I retain my abilty to write coherently
Australian rules academic debate
. I think we have the stroke coming in here.

Now for the A level:
Aside from that, remember that the Scottish farmers are likely to be angry
if you give their sheep any diseases.
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Yes you don't mind if I do not take lessons from a porn advocate.

As I say your family must be embarrassed, do think of them.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:37 am

Leaving out the raavings of our porn liking brain damaged friend let us return to the subject.

The acculturalisation of Roman Britain is important for two key reasons.

1. It was so complete. Bede (who must have known so much more than he tells us) barely mentions the British and those he does refer to live in the North or near Wales. He seems to accept Gildas' view that the Britons were largely wiped out.

But of course that is not possible. 3 million people cannot have been totally annihlated by a few warbands. Especially as the A/S were hardly better equipped or more technologically advanced. Even in genocidal colonial societies such as the US and Australia native words occur in the language.

But apart from one common word - bin - we speak pretty pure Anglo Saxon. And if every other case from Gaul to Italy including Romania the Latin culture remained - why not in Britain?

2, We have so little information apart from about 6 texts and archaeology.

The curious thing about this is the archaeology seems to throw up different stories. At one time it was thought A/S settlers could be identified by their form of burial (cremation) and the RB could be distinguished by their belt-sets (indicating they were equipped from a central sources). Now it appears that the native British adoped A/S burial methods and the wearers of the belt sets might be mercenaries so we are effectively back to square one.

One interesting development have been the studies into RB towns. From these it appears that one of the key indicators of the power of the A/S may have ben misinterpreted. After the visit of Theodosius the Great it seems that British towns began placing ballistae towers on their walls.

Ballistae seemed to imply that the Barbarians were a formidable enemy. Now however a simple survey has shown that the towers were built largely for show. Some face rivers and ravines were no attack would be possible and others were so badly built they could serve no miliary purpose.

It is interesting to speculate whether St Patrick's father, a city magistrate, was involved in this expensive face saving.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:30 am

Sad news

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... n-obituary

Her studies regarding the Frankish origin of much Kentish material was epoch making. One of those thngs which looks obvious now.

It is of course interesting that when Constantine Chlorus reconquered Britain in 296 the usurper Allectus, whose title has recently been revised, used Frankish troops to oppose him.

And of course Aethelberht married a christian Frankish princess
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:14 am



simon wrote:Thnik of your family.


Think of the sheep.


simon wrote:2. We have so little information apart from about 6 texts and archaeology.


simon, you suffer from a severe case of projection.
Most of those working in this time period and region
are well aware of the work done in Wales in the 1980's,
and the work now being done in Scotland.

Once again, while you have no ability to work with saint's lives,
most of those who are gainfully employed do.

It appears you are stuck in the late 1970's,
and have made no progress since then.

My Latin is still good enough to check a translation against text.

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:14 am

Think of the sheep.


I'll leave it to you half brain, when you have finished with the pornography.

simon, you suffer from a severe case of projection.
Most of those working in this time period and region
are well aware of the work done in Wales in the 1980's,
and the work now being done in Scotland.


You know nothing about this period. You suffer from a sever case of ignorance. You do not even know who this woman was or why we owe her such a debt.

Once again, while you have no ability to work with saint's lives,
most of those who are gainfully employed do.
It appears you are stuck in the late 1970's,
and have made no progress since then.


Bit of projection here. You have made no progress since your stroke and precious little before.

My Latin is still good enough to check a translation against text.


And another lle. We didn't have any Latin a while ago.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:11 am

One should not get too worked up about ethnic names of course. David Crystal points out the reason the Anglo-Saxons were so called by Bede was largely to distinguish them from the continental Saxons, who were, crucially still pagan at the time of writing.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:41 am

Anglo-Saxon archaeology in the 1940s and 50s was dominated by a small number of Oxbridge-educated men, and it took boldness and determination to break into this charmed circle....
Her reputation has perhaps been stronger abroad than at home:
the festschrift The Evidence of Material Culture (2016) appeared in a French series,
with articles in both English and French,
while some reviews of her 1965 book The 5th century Invasions South of the Thames (1965)
were hostile concerning her “frankophilia”.

In the end,
the data (artifacts) wins.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:54 am

Our porn liking friend does raise one point worth considering here. So often whether it is the US, Europe, Israel or most notoriously the RSA there is confusion about noxious ideas of race as opposed to culture and ethnicity.

There are no races, no true bloods, no pure aryans. It is weird this sort of confusion still arises. It doesn't matter if your ancestors were jewish, orthodox, Sunkist it is The culture you reflect that mattets. And for much of the world that culture was initiated in the fifth and sixth centuries by a few thousand German immigrants or seemingly.

The Britons adopted A/S culture they were not replaced. Anymore than the whole population of Iran,North Africa, the Middle East were wiped out and then quickly replaced by a few thousand, seemingly very very virile, light cavalry from Arabia.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:03 pm

E.P. Grondine wrote:Anglo-Saxon archaeology in the 1940s and 50s was dominated by a small number of Oxbridge-educated men, and it took boldness and determination to break into this charmed circle....
Her reputation has perhaps been stronger abroad than at home:
the festschrift The Evidence of Material Culture (2016) appeared in a French series,
with articles in both English and French,
while some reviews of her 1965 book The 5th century Invasions South of the Thames (1965)
were hostile concerning her “frankophilia”.

In the end,
the data (artifacts) wins.


Yes a very great woman, the debate, the serious debate, goes on. It is now widely accepted that the Frank's did culturally influence Kent. Aethelberht married a Frankish therefore catholic,princess. And who does Augustine go to first? Aethelberht.

Coincidence is pushing it.

Of course this does not answer the question of how did Augustine know where to establish his new bishoprics? Had Christianity lingered on in some way in the former urban centres?

Data does not mean artifacts and artifacts without context can be meaningless
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:17 pm

https://zellwerk.hypotheses.org/195

The objective of this subproject is the archaeological and scientific analysis of garnet objects from England, Scotland and Scandinavia.
The question is, why objects decorated with garnet went out of fashion on the Continent
during the last third of the 6th century,
while the style experienced a notable floruit in 7th-century England and Scandinavia.

Starting point for the study is 6th- and 7th-century Anglo-Saxon England.
Despite the large number of finds from the formerly Anglo-Saxon areas of Britain, no systematic study has yet been attempted.
Likewise, determinations of origin have so far only been carried out in the scope of a small number of isolated preliminary studies.
For the archaeological analysis it is necessary to develop a typology and linking it to the recently published chronology of Anglo-Saxon England (Bayliss et al. 2013). Due to their strong stylistic similarities,
Scandinavian objects provide comparisons and can help to clarify questions concerned with production techniques and economic history.

Do not try to bullshit me, simon.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:27 pm

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Re: Roman DNA

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:12 pm

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrzej_Kozlowski3

do not try to bullshit me, simon

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... y_minerals

do not try to bullshit me, simon

http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/390/1/177

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do not try to bullshit me, simon

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do not try to bullshit me, simon

Image
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:52 pm

The objective of this subproject is the archaeological and scientific analysis of garnet objects from England, Scotland and Scandinavia.
The question is, why objects decorated with garnet went out of fashion on the Continent
during the last third of the 6th century,
while the style experienced a notable floruit in 7th-century England and Scandinavia.


Garnets come from Sri Lanka they were traded in Baltic North Sea zones.

End of even for a brain dead.

objects decorated with garnet went out of fashion on the Continent


So did Latin - a fairly meaningless statement.

Sorry frantically searching Wikipedia. Go back to watching porn

Starting point for the study is 6th- and 7th-century Anglo-Saxon England.
Despite the large number of finds from the formerly Anglo-Saxon areas of Britain, no system with production techniques and economic history.
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Sutton Hoo and the Staffordshire hoard are isloated studies. Stento, Evison etc are all isolated studies?

Don't quote what you do not understand moron as I say go back to the porn Wikipedia is way behind the times.

Go back to your porn.
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Re: Roman DNA

Postby Simon21 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:56 pm

E.P. Grondine wrote:https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrzej_Kozlowski3

do not try to bullshit me, simon

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... y_minerals

do not try to bullshit me, simon

http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/390/1/177

Image

do not try to bullshit me, simon

Image

do not try to bullshit me, simon

Image


As you have been told 5 times garnets in A/S finds come from Sri Lanka. And these images are not garnets.

So brain dead stop your silly non research and go back to drooling over your porn.
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