Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:11 am

circumspice wrote:In other words: Linear A has not been deciphered. It is still a work in progress.


Well, spice, Brown's breakthrough is still at the point where
you can pretend that Linear A has not been broken if you want to.

There is really no need to shout at me about this.
But I do wonder why you care so passionately about it,
when you have not even read Brown's article, as near as I know.

I do not know how many PIE or Lycian specialists there are in the world,
but I doubt that any of them would bother to take the time to discuss this with you personally.

I myself do not want to waste my time trying to discuss the differences between Palu-ili and Luw-illi with you;
furthermore, as this is a task which I am incapable of since my stroke,
it would be futile for me to try to do so.

It would be similar to trying to discuss Middle Bronze Age chronology or biblical sources with min.

I do not want to sound like an arrogant bastard here, but that is how I view it.

All that I can suggest to you is that you read Brown's Minos paper,
and then make up your own mind about it.

Sadly, as you can see from my typos and dropped words, my computer coding days are over as well,
otherwise I'd be "playing" with some "toys".

It appears that Brown just wants to be left alone to work.
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:49 pm

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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby Minimalist » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:25 pm

Interesting depiction of the city, E.P. although it is fairly easy to see the weak spot in the defenses towards the NW side.
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby Tiompan » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:41 am

Does anyone know the source of the Luwian Studies logo ?
It has some similarities with one Luwian symbol I have seen but have never come across the one in the logo .
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby Tiompan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:09 am

Tiompan wrote:Does anyone know the source of the Luwian Studies logo ?
It has some similarities with one Luwian symbol I have seen but have never come across the one in the logo .


Fwiw, for those that might be interested , I have discovered that the logo was chosen because of the Luwian word "labyrinthos" .The logo is an abstraction based on some rock art motifs in Carshenna Switzerland ,although the motif in general is common elsewhere , but minus one feature . Sadly , it is clearly not a labyrinth
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:58 am

Nearly all of the lienzas and mapas from contact era Mexico need multispectral imaging.

I think that in terms of the public interest/tourist dollars, it would be nice to have made available online free English translations of key documents.
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:16 pm

This may give you some idea of the urgent need for multi-spectral imaging of Mesoamerican texts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_98xsLmXZvE
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby Minimalist » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:00 pm

It might have, if my Spanish was 600% better than it is.
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:09 pm

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magaz ... nuscripts/

It look like the few Mesoamerican codices that remain have a pretty low priority.
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby Minimalist » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:22 am

Scientific miracles are where one finds them, I guess.
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:13 am

Minimalist wrote:Scientific miracles are where one finds them, I guess.


No min, that is not how any science works, including archaeology.

I can tell you that by the funding for impact research.

Science depends on funding, and that funding is directed
either by perceptions of needs
or by social forces.

Some 12 years after Don Yeomans asked for a small infra-red space telescope to detect impactors before they hit,
and even after the 640 kiloton airburst at Chelyabinsk,
its still on NASA's to do short list, and not up in orbit.
If you come the amounts spent on this hazard with those spent on manned and unmanned flights to Mars,
it does not make rational sense.

Given that ancient Greece and Rome and Christianity lie at the heart of Western Civiliazations,
its clear why these manuscripts have a high priority.

Now my priority is recovering Native American histories to look for accounts of impact events,
which then have to be verified by geological and/or archaeological field work.
And that is why I have an interest in the "myths" preserved in Meso American codices.
It is likely that some of those "myths" actually refer to proto-historical impact events.
Geological and archaeological field work are relatively expensive,
while work with documents is relatively inexpensive.

I will say that my notice of fast neutron production in large hyper velocity impacts was fortuitous...
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby Minimalist » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:11 pm

Clearly you haven't attained the status of "miracle."
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:52 am

Minimalist wrote:Clearly you haven't attained the status of "miracle."


I think its a safe bet we can leave religion out of it.

But since you have brought up multiple occasions my use of text materials,
I'd like to share with you J.P. Malloy's apparat:
arizona.openrepository.com/arizona/bitstream/10150/.../azu_td_8404672_sip1_m.pdf

Its one of the finest I've seen since W.K.C. Guthrie's,
and when you bother me again about my own usage in the future,
I will point you to it again.
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:52 am

Minimalist wrote:Clearly you haven't attained the status of "miracle."


I think its a safe bet we can leave religion out of it.

But since you have brought up multiple occasions my use of text materials,
I'd like to share with you J.P. Malloy's apparat:
arizona.openrepository.com/arizona/bitstream/10150/.../azu_td_8404672_sip1_m.pdf

Its one of the finest I've seen since W.K.C. Guthrie's,
and when you bother me again about my own usage in the future,
I will point you to it again.
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Re: Some thoughts on new technologies in archaeology

Postby E.P. Grondine » Sat May 06, 2017 2:12 pm

The process begins

https://bnf.hypotheses.org/577

but it is a long ways from full multi-spectral.
Note the camera angle -
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